2006.07.19 09.41 (0kelvin) *self*: Morning
2006.07.19 09.41 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Is this thing on?
2006.07.19 09.41 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Morning you!
2006.07.19 09.41 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So . . . how'd you hack your way past the proxy?
2006.07.19 09.42 (0kelvin) *self*: You really don't want to know my solutoin
2006.07.19 09.43 (0kelvin) *self*: However, I will say that my blackberry ssh client isn't half bad.
2006.07.19 09.43 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So you're ssh'ing from your backberry?
2006.07.19 09.43 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: That is fugly man.
2006.07.19 09.44 (0kelvin) *self*: Haha sure is. I'm still working on a real solution tho.
2006.07.19 09.44 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Tell me it involves bodily harm to the dork who put the proxy/firewall in place.
2006.07.19 09.45 (0kelvin) *self*: All roads lead to our wonderful governor.
2006.07.19 09.45 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Howso?
2006.07.19 09.46 (0kelvin) *self*: Man 'screen' is fugly on here
2006.07.19 09.46 (0kelvin) *self*: Actually it probably doesn't. They just have very strict security policies.
2006.07.19 09.47 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Probably can't fart without permission, right?
2006.07.19 09.47 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: ok, back
2006.07.19 09.47 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: here
2006.07.19 09.47 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: front - whatever
2006.07.19 09.48 (0kelvin) *self*: Whoa! Nut is here? How are things?
2006.07.19 09.48 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You don't want to know.
2006.07.19 09.48 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: He's lost his will to live.
2006.07.19 09.48 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Still in a 'mood', fuji-dono ?
2006.07.19 09.48 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: He's a mere shell of a man.
2006.07.19 09.48 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: things are grooovy
2006.07.19 09.49 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So jedediah, has the snoring been keeping you awake at nights?
2006.07.19 09.49 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: hehehehe
2006.07.19 09.50 (0kelvin) *self*: Hehe. My own snoring has actually.
2006.07.19 09.50 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: That's so sad man.
2006.07.19 09.50 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I know of this book that might help . . .
2006.07.19 09.51 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: You are self-snoring, even tho you are finaly married?!!!
2006.07.19 09.51 (0kelvin) *self*: Jk of course.
2006.07.19 09.51 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Changing subject
2006.07.19 09.51 (0kelvin) *self*: Hmm. Ssh on this actual sucks. I've got to go to a meeting, hopfully ill have something better when I get back.
2006.07.19 09.52 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: hehe
2006.07.19 09.52 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: http
2006.07.19 09.52 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: tunnel with ssh & putty through a linux ssh server setup at your house...or a friend's house
2006.07.19 09.52 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: PhotoNut
2006.07.19 09.52 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: He has no outgoing access on any ports other than 80 or 443.
2006.07.19 09.53 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Or so he says.
2006.07.19 09.53 (0kelvin) *self*: Photonut
2006.07.19 09.54 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Son of the b*tch.
2006.07.19 09.55 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: wow. where do you work?
2006.07.19 09.55 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: 72mm
2006.07.19 09.55 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.19 09.55 (0kelvin) *self*: At any rate, telk to yall later.
2006.07.19 09.55 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: SAIF
2006.07.19 09.56 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Mushroom! Mushroom!
2006.07.19 09.56 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Unisys is the same way. i felt like I was wearing a straight jacket while I was there. It really pissed me off that they wouldn't even allow ssh traffic.
2006.07.19 09.56 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Snaaaaaake!
2006.07.19 09.57 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Especially for the tech workers.
2006.07.19 09.57 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It just doesn't make sense to hobble your programmers like that.
2006.07.19 10.00 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.19 10.00 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Btw. the color image from megatokyo was awesome. I'd like a desktop wallpaper version.
2006.07.19 10.00 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I wouldn't mind an actual poster version.
2006.07.19 10.12 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.19 10.14 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: "I'm not an emperor"
2006.07.19 10.18 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: That was a pretty good video
2006.07.19 10.18 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Glad you liked it.
2006.07.19 10.20 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.19 10.20 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: LOL!
2006.07.19 10.23 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
2006.07.19 10.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I knew you'd like that oe.
2006.07.19 10.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: n
2006.07.19 10.51 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.19 10.51 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: There we go dowaito-kun, our exercise.
2006.07.19 11.00 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Wow!
2006.07.19 11.00 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: What movie is that from? Something French I' guessing.
2006.07.19 11.01 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Had you not seen that kind of stuff before or just still impressed with it?
2006.07.19 11.01 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: *I'm
2006.07.19 11.01 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I dunno.
2006.07.19 11.01 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Parkour is French, although I hear Russians have picked up on it too now.
2006.07.19 11.01 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Oh, I've seen lots of that kind of stuff. But that looks like a fun movie.
2006.07.19 11.01 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Ah yeah.
2006.07.19 11.01 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Parkour looks fun but painful.
2006.07.19 11.01 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: There's a whole US sport too.
2006.07.19 11.01 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Wouldn't you know it.
2006.07.19 11.01 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Tons of people into it. but I don't think they call it parkour here.
2006.07.19 11.02 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: What do they call it here I wonder?
2006.07.19 11.02 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Not like I could ever do it.
2006.07.19 11.02 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: http
2006.07.19 11.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Is that a guess?
2006.07.19 11.03 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: US release 9/5
2006.07.19 11.03 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: No, based on comments on youtube vid.
2006.07.19 11.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Ah.
2006.07.19 11.04 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.19 11.04 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Urban freeflow
2006.07.19 11.04 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: They had a contest on tv a couple of weeks ago.
2006.07.19 11.05 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I prefer the rural kind.
2006.07.19 11.05 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Did they really?
2006.07.19 11.05 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hm.
2006.07.19 11.05 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: It was intersting, but since the obstacles were staged, it wasn't as cool as the real thing
2006.07.19 11.05 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: http
2006.07.19 11.05 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.19 11.06 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: http
2006.07.19 11.50 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: "David Belle" the star of that french movie, is also the creater of parkour
2006.07.19 11.50 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: No kidding? Cool.
2006.07.19 11.53 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: The next James Bond movie will open with a traceur evading James bond on the roof tops.
2006.07.19 11.53 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Bah.
2006.07.19 11.53 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I've given up on James Bond.
2006.07.19 11.53 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Me too
2006.07.19 11.53 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: That and the Mission Impossible movies.
2006.07.19 11.53 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Eidos is publishing a Parkeur based psp game called "free running"
2006.07.19 11.54 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: MI
2006.07.19 11.57 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I wonder what it takes to get into parkeur. It really appeals to me.
2006.07.19 11.58 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Good shape, good joints, a touch of insanity.
2006.07.19 11.58 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.19 11.59 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: When I was in College I used be able to be clear 5' from a standing jump. I used to love jumping from staircases, and fences, and all kinds of thing.s
2006.07.19 11.59 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I could have been a traceur.
2006.07.19 12.00 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You could have.
2006.07.19 12.00 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Do I sense a mid-life crisis moment?
2006.07.19 12.01 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: bah.
2006.07.19 12.02 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Yes dogbert?
2006.07.19 12.03 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I could see how a psp game would be lots of fun.... as long as I don't have to kill cops and rob prostitutes
2006.07.19 12.04 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: What if it was the other way around?
2006.07.19 12.06 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Maybe that would be okay.
2006.07.19 12.06 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: You know. I think you'd have to start young and keep at it. Start while you still think you can't be hurt.
2006.07.19 12.06 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Yep.
2006.07.19 12.06 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: When I was doing what little I did, I never worried that I might break a leg or anything.
2006.07.19 12.07 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I dislocated a knuckle punching a wall. Poppped it back in , and never thought anything of it (except OUCH)
2006.07.19 12.07 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Now days, I worry about getting hurt. I won't even go down stairs two at a time anymore.
2006.07.19 12.07 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Sheesh.
2006.07.19 12.07 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Well these days dislocating a finger could make your job difficult for a while.
2006.07.19 12.08 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: yeah. Just think of the trouble if I broke a bone. Doctor bills, missed work. Yuck.
2006.07.19 12.08 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I guess I have too many responsibilities for those kinds of sports.
2006.07.19 12.08 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: That's actually the biggest reason why I hesitate to study martial arts.
2006.07.19 12.09 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: All the "good" exercise/sports can seriously hurt me, so I avoid them and get fat.
2006.07.19 12.09 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Life is so [un]fair, ne?
2006.07.19 12.09 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Well, it's hard to get hurt studying martial arts. If your instructor actauly knows what he's doing anyway
2006.07.19 12.09 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm thinking that I'd miss while sparing and jam a knuckle or something.
2006.07.19 12.09 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You know . . . my fault.
2006.07.19 12.09 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I never once was injured (more than the odd bruise) while practicing martial arts.
2006.07.19 12.10 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: And yet my mother-in-law hurt a guy while he was testing for a belt . . .
2006.07.19 12.10 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: But, before you ever spar you will learn how to strike in such a way as to not injure yourself.
2006.07.19 12.10 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: He forgot to wear a cup.
2006.07.19 12.10 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Accidents still happen.
2006.07.19 12.10 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: You have to do something stupid, like try to put your fist through the corner of a wall.
2006.07.19 12.10 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I one the bet, but it really did hurt.
2006.07.19 12.11 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Or you could study aikido or jui-jitsu where there is no punching / kicking just locking and throwing.
2006.07.19 12.11 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: s/one/won/ sheesh
2006.07.19 12.11 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: heheh.
2006.07.19 12.11 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I was going to correct that.
2006.07.19 12.12 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Actualy, I bet you get hurt easier with jui-jitsu.
2006.07.19 12.12 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Yeah well . . . need to find a teacher, need to have the money, need to have the time, need to have the inclination, need to get over my "shyness".
2006.07.19 12.12 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Well, everything you do can lead to an injury.
2006.07.19 12.12 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I hear you
2006.07.19 12.12 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Which is why I opt to do nothing.
2006.07.19 12.12 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It's a slow death that way.
2006.07.19 12.12 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: hehehehe
2006.07.19 12.12 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: This fat tub o lard is going to go get fatter
2006.07.19 12.13 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: have fnu
2006.07.19 12.13 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Ugh.
2006.07.19 13.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I think I'm supposed to be officially back now.
2006.07.19 13.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: But no one is here and I don't have enough work to keep me busy all day.
2006.07.19 13.38 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Go home.
2006.07.19 13.44 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I only wish.
2006.07.19 13.44 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: But the boss walked in about 10 minutes ago.
2006.07.19 13.45 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: bummer
2006.07.19 13.45 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Meh.
2006.07.19 14.58 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: new issue of SPAG is out
2006.07.19 14.58 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: http
2006.07.19 14.58 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: SPAG? Hmm..
2006.07.19 14.59 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Why does that sound familiar?
2006.07.19 14.59 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Ahhhhh.
2006.07.19 14.59 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Gotcah.
2006.07.19 14.59 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Thanks.
2006.07.19 14.59 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Do they distribute that via Email at all?
2006.07.19 15.01 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: yes
2006.07.19 15.02 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: If you sign up for it.
2006.07.19 15.02 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Ah.
2006.07.19 15.02 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.19 15.02 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I need to get back to playing some of my IF games.
2006.07.19 15.02 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: me too
2006.07.19 15.02 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: and writing them
2006.07.19 15.02 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm so sporradic for those things which do not tickle my obsessive-complusive ness.
2006.07.19 15.05 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I've never tried writing them.
2006.07.19 15.05 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: As I think you know.
2006.07.19 15.08 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.19 15.08 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hmm. Clever?
2006.07.19 15.10 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: clever? Makes Americans seem positively moral with their 'living together' and their 'common law marriages'.
2006.07.19 15.10 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hehehe.
2006.07.19 15.10 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It is a solution to a sticky moral problem for them.
2006.07.19 15.10 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Weirdos.
2006.07.19 15.19 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: seems like it just gives men the gratification they want without any responsivility.
2006.07.19 15.19 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: responsibility even.
2006.07.19 15.20 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Except it's sort of marriage if you want it to be though.
2006.07.19 15.21 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: How do you figure? There's no sharing of assets. No legal or moral reason to 'stay the course', and pregnancy is entirely the woman's responsibility.
2006.07.19 15.21 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: They don't even live togethor.
2006.07.19 15.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Don't "have" to.
2006.07.19 15.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: But if they want to they can.
2006.07.19 15.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm not saying it _is_ I'm saying they could treat it as such if they chose later on.
2006.07.19 15.21 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Okay, but how many bother, I wonder.
2006.07.19 15.22 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: That one guy in the beginning seemed to think he might stick around now they they are going to have a baby.
2006.07.19 15.22 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: http
2006.07.19 15.23 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: They can have a real wife and misyar wives
2006.07.19 15.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So, in a society where polygamy is allowed, what are the moral implications of sleeping with all your wives?
2006.07.19 15.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Obviously your vows would have to be different.
2006.07.19 15.23 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: So its also a 'moral' polygomy
2006.07.19 15.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Kinda weird.
2006.07.19 15.24 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: According to that artical, the misyar wife is expected to live with her parents
2006.07.19 15.24 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Which article?
2006.07.19 15.25 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: According to wikipedia, it is also intended to be a temporary agreement.
2006.07.19 15.25 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Didn't you get this link [http
2006.07.19 15.25 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I did but did not follow it.
2006.07.19 15.25 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm not all that interested in it.
2006.07.19 15.26 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Interesting response to it http
2006.07.19 15.26 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Sheesh. Why bring up stuff you aren't going to talk about.
2006.07.19 15.26 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun:
2006.07.19 15.27 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm not going to argue what it is and isn't in a culture I don't care about . . .
2006.07.19 15.27 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: And you were going there.
2006.07.19 15.32 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: heheheheh
2006.07.19 15.55 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I'm heading home now.
2006.07.19 15.55 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Talk at you tomorrow
2006.07.19 15.55 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Be well.
2006.07.19 17.28 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Ja ne.
2006.07.20 09.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Morning.
2006.07.20 09.31 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Grrr. Stupid thing
2006.07.20 09.31 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: morning fuji-dono
2006.07.20 09.31 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Morning.
2006.07.20 09.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Applegeeks today is great.
2006.07.20 09.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Grr. My turn.
2006.07.20 09.40 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.20 09.42 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I need to find a newsstand that has some magazines I'm looking for.
2006.07.20 09.43 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: no mail order?
2006.07.20 09.43 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: They do, but I don't want to pay for shipping, I'd like to flip through them first . . .
2006.07.20 09.43 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.20 09.43 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Those magazines.
2006.07.20 09.43 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: $20+ for one issue of each of them.
2006.07.20 09.44 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'd rather flip through and figure out which ones don't meet my fancy . . . .you know?
2006.07.20 09.44 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: My Borders in Salem carries none of these.
2006.07.20 09.45 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.20 09.45 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm not sure I'm going to switch just yet but it might be worth keeping around in a bookmark.
2006.07.20 09.46 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I did see it. I will have to try it out. See if it handles inform 7 games properly
2006.07.20 09.46 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I don't have a need for it.
2006.07.20 09.46 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Zoom is doing just fine, and I rather like it's interface . . .
2006.07.20 09.46 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I guess I need a reason to change.
2006.07.20 09.48 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: same here. I rarely play non inform-based games.
2006.07.20 09.51 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Shoot, I rarely play.
2006.07.20 09.51 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Maybe I'll play today.
2006.07.20 09.51 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I've got notthing much going on otherwise.
2006.07.20 10.35 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: http
2006.07.20 10.36 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: http
2006.07.20 10.38 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Thanks.
2006.07.20 10.38 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: you're welcome
2006.07.20 10.39 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: We'll see if it's any good.
2006.07.20 10.46 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hullo.
2006.07.20 10.46 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: hi
2006.07.20 10.47 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: How goes the battle for your sanity?
2006.07.20 10.47 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: lol
2006.07.20 10.47 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: not going well
2006.07.20 10.47 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Then all is well.
2006.07.20 10.47 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.20 10.47 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Sanity is highly overrated.
2006.07.20 10.47 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: I agree
2006.07.20 10.47 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Sanity is for old men with nothing left to live for, and bitter old maids too hard to love.
2006.07.20 10.48 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Sanity is for the plebeians.
2006.07.20 10.48 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: ~wibble~
2006.07.20 10.49 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: I'm writing a paper on what our new web site is going to offer our clients...
2006.07.20 10.49 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: without requirements for the site defined and only a fuzzy fealing about it
2006.07.20 10.49 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So now you're in marketing huh?
2006.07.20 10.49 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: and no database designed
2006.07.20 10.49 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: yeah, pretty much
2006.07.20 10.49 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Yuck.
2006.07.20 10.49 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: the boss doesn't want to write it
2006.07.20 10.50 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Remind me not to ever work for your boss/manager/owner.
2006.07.20 10.50 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: lol
2006.07.20 10.55 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: I've worked over 40hrs this week already...
2006.07.20 10.55 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: ...maybe I should just go home now and come back Monday ;)
2006.07.20 10.55 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Sounds good to me.
2006.07.20 10.55 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: lol
2006.07.20 10.55 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: that would go over well I'm sure
2006.07.20 10.56 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Never know until you try.
2006.07.20 10.56 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: hehe
2006.07.20 10.56 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: all too tempting
2006.07.20 10.56 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: but, the wallet is arguing with me as well as the "I'd like to keep my job" thoughts going through my head
2006.07.20 10.58 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: More's the pitty I guess.
2006.07.20 10.58 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: We'll never know.
2006.07.20 10.58 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: . . . and knowing is half the battle.
2006.07.20 10.58 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: hehe
2006.07.20 10.58 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I guess we just lost.
2006.07.20 10.58 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.20 10.58 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.20 11.01 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: I'm glad I'm back in IRC...er, SILC....whatever
2006.07.20 11.01 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: chatty thing ;)
2006.07.20 11.01 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I just wish jedediah would make an appearance today.
2006.07.20 11.02 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It'd be a full-house then.
2006.07.20 11.02 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: I'll see him at lunch... I'll bug him about it
2006.07.20 11.03 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: vIaGra aNthRaxxx - actual subject of an e-mail I just got
2006.07.20 11.03 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: brb
2006.07.20 11.09 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: well, 'bout time to leave for lunchies...cya in a bit
2006.07.20 11.09 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Have fun.
2006.07.20 11.19 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: dowaito-kun
2006.07.20 12.06 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Lunch time.
2006.07.20 12.15 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: B grade is better than F, or no such reading at all
2006.07.20 12.37 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Unfortunately B grade was the best I could offer, but in the end I probably won't keep up with it, and I would not want to submit my work to it.
2006.07.20 12.58 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: fnu was had
2006.07.20 12.59 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: good, I'm glad.
2006.07.20 12.59 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: The actual food part of my lunch was unsatisfying to the extreme.
2006.07.20 12.59 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: bummer
2006.07.20 13.00 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So much so that it would have been better for me to choose not to eat than to have suffered through it.
2006.07.20 13.00 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: wow
2006.07.20 13.00 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Now I'll also suffer hunger.
2006.07.20 13.00 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Must be double suffering day.
2006.07.20 13.00 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: what was it?
2006.07.20 13.00 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: is/were/was
2006.07.20 13.00 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I did a little better then. With my 2 ozs of chicken on rye bread, and a string cheese on the side.
2006.07.20 13.00 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: lol
2006.07.20 13.01 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: I won't talk about my lunch
2006.07.20 13.03 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I get 8 ozs of watermelon for a snack. That's good, right?
2006.07.20 13.03 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: I get 16oz of Pepsi
2006.07.20 13.06 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: when you read the word watermelon and go on to read about watermarks, you get funny pictures in your head
2006.07.20 13.06 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: "Add your logo as a watermelon"
2006.07.20 13.06 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun:
2006.07.20 13.07 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: "Custom imbedded watermelon protection"
2006.07.20 13.29 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: If I get a PS3 I'll get Virtua Fighter 5.
2006.07.20 13.29 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Since the first is not likely, neither is the second.
2006.07.20 13.39 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: eeew. I hate the Virtua fighter line almost as much as I hate all the other fighting games.
2006.07.20 13.40 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I would probably get it for FFXIII, but I'm a squenix fanboix
2006.07.20 13.42 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Hey. Did you catch the Serires premier of Eur^eka on SciFi channel?
2006.07.20 13.42 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I recorded it.
2006.07.20 13.42 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm not allowed to watch it until tonight.
2006.07.20 13.43 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Because a friend wants to watch it with us.
2006.07.20 13.43 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: And I really like the fighting games, Virtua Fighter (4) the best of all.
2006.07.20 13.43 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So there.
2006.07.20 13.44 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Well, remind me to ask you what you think of it (Eureka) tomorrow.
2006.07.20 13.44 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I will.
2006.07.20 13.44 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I would rather play something extremely lame and girlish like SSX than a fighting game.
2006.07.20 13.45 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: And yet you turned me on to the Bouncing Boobies Fighting Game Extreme (DOA).
2006.07.20 13.47 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: DOA one and two were pretty good. The most well balanced fighting game. You could win via application of strategy and skill. DOA 3 went the way of all the others. The twitchiest player, or the player who finds the righ combination always wins. yeck
2006.07.20 13.47 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Not that I have anything against bouncing boobies.
2006.07.20 13.47 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun:
2006.07.20 13.48 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I dunno . . . you could lose to a 6yr old who's only tactic was Button Mashing. But DOA2 is still a fun game.
2006.07.20 13.48 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: DOA3 isn't bad (but that's on the Xbox so how would you know, Mr. Xbox hater?)
2006.07.20 13.48 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I did say "could".
2006.07.20 13.49 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I have evil friends who own xboxs. And I have played it. And it is the suck
2006.07.20 13.49 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You wouldn't be biased now would you?
2006.07.20 13.49 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.20 13.49 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: http
2006.07.20 13.49 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So you just plain hate fighters.
2006.07.20 13.49 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: No. I liked DOA 1 and 2.
2006.07.20 13.49 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Did you try Virtua Fighter 4 Evolution?
2006.07.20 13.50 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: No. I hated 1 2 and 3, why try 4? No one has given me a reason to try 4.
2006.07.20 13.51 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I didn't play the first three so I wouldn't know, but I've really enjoyed 4.
2006.07.20 13.51 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: They added a tournament mode versus many different AI, and you gain belts to show how good you are.
2006.07.20 13.51 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: And I like that I can't win by button mashing.
2006.07.20 13.52 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: No one will play it with me, but that's okay. I still have fun.
2006.07.20 13.52 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: From a visual standpoint VF5 looks sweet.
2006.07.20 13.52 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.20 13.53 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: See 1,2, and 3 were all about button mashing. At least it was more balanced then Super Street Fighter. (Barfs)
2006.07.20 13.53 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Oh heck no.
2006.07.20 13.53 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Button mashing will get you killed.
2006.07.20 13.53 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It's more about evading, striking, blocking, and throwing now.
2006.07.20 13.53 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: Street Fighter II Turbo for the Sega!!!
2006.07.20 13.55 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Any and all Street Fighter games are the mud of the genre. The best you can do is slog thru it, and hope it washes off later.
2006.07.20 13.55 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Heehehehe.
2006.07.20 13.56 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Then there's Mortal Kombat . . .
2006.07.20 13.57 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I still can't believe that dumb @$$ senator had anything to say about that Net Neutrality bill.
2006.07.20 13.57 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Talk about H.U.A.
2006.07.20 13.57 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: "... highly technical, complex yet accessible, genuinely entertaining fighting game..." Hmm. If I ever feel like putting a tack in my eye, I may try Virtua Fighter 4.
2006.07.20 13.58 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hehehe.
2006.07.20 13.59 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Waitasec. That "John Hodgeman" guy is the "PC" from the Mac ads.
2006.07.20 14.00 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Yes.
2006.07.20 14.00 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: That was sweet how they made him say it too.
2006.07.20 14.00 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: That's very astute of you to notice.
2006.07.20 14.00 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun:
2006.07.20 14.03 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: well, chatting isn't working for me today...too much to do and concentrate on
2006.07.20 14.03 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: I'm going to sign off
2006.07.20 14.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Okay.
2006.07.20 14.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Sissy.
2006.07.20 14.03 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: lol
2006.07.20 14.03 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: whatever
2006.07.20 14.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Work is for sissies.
2006.07.20 14.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Real men spread chaos and disorder under the guise of BOFH.
2006.07.20 14.03 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: kick me - that'll save me logging off
2006.07.20 14.03 (0kelvin) PhotoNut: lol
2006.07.20 14.04 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.20 14.05 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm already very hungry.
2006.07.20 14.14 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Me too.
2006.07.20 14.14 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I better have my watermelon
2006.07.20 14.22 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm having 94% fat free (no taste) popcorn.
2006.07.20 14.22 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: And another Dr. Pepper.
2006.07.20 14.22 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Shhhhh.
2006.07.20 14.22 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.20 14.25 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.20 14.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.20 16.01 (0kelvin) *self*: Anyone still here?
2006.07.20 16.01 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I am.
2006.07.20 16.02 (0kelvin) *self*: Cool.
2006.07.20 16.02 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I actually thought I'd never see you again.
2006.07.20 16.02 (0kelvin) *self*: hehe
2006.07.20 16.02 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Wuzzup?
2006.07.20 16.02 (0kelvin) *self*: Not a whole lot. . . just working
2006.07.20 16.02 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Wow. You actually have stuff to do huh?
2006.07.20 16.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You guys free this Saturday?
2006.07.20 16.03 (0kelvin) *self*: Found a wireless access point that ties directly in to a comcast connection. . . so. . . \\'007.
2006.07.20 16.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Free and want to see my ugly mug?
2006.07.20 16.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Seriously?
2006.07.20 16.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You aren't on the blackberry right now?
2006.07.20 16.03 (0kelvin) *self*: Seriously, yes.
2006.07.20 16.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.20 16.03 (0kelvin) *self*: Nope, on a notebook.
2006.07.20 16.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I would consider something like that someday.
2006.07.20 16.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Some really good headphones.
2006.07.20 16.03 (0kelvin) *self*: Now I have to figure out a way to convince people that I /should/ have a laptop open 8x5
2006.07.20 16.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Ah.
2006.07.20 16.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Yeah that might be tricky.
2006.07.20 16.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So about Saturday?
2006.07.20 16.04 (0kelvin) *self*: Niiice headphones.
2006.07.20 16.04 (0kelvin) *self*: I think so. I'm asking the wife right now.
2006.07.20 16.04 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm thinking of something DJ quality hoping they'll actually be comfortable for hours at a time.
2006.07.20 16.04 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Yeah, I'll need to check with my wife too, but she did mention it last night to me.
2006.07.20 16.04 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.20 16.04 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: NiCE!
2006.07.20 16.05 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.20 16.05 (0kelvin) *self*: Shoot. Erica is working this Saturday night
2006.07.20 16.05 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Doggone.
2006.07.20 16.06 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Tell her she's fired.
2006.07.20 16.06 (0kelvin) *self*: Will do.
2006.07.20 16.06 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Are weeknights bad for you?
2006.07.20 16.06 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm thinking so given our collective geographical locations.
2006.07.20 16.06 (0kelvin) *self*: For the record, did you have a time in mind?
2006.07.20 16.07 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I didn't.
2006.07.20 16.07 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Beth is gone for the weekend and Holly and I were thinking about playing Pirates Cove and hanging out with you.
2006.07.20 16.07 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: (you plural)
2006.07.20 16.07 (0kelvin) *self*: Weeknights aren't all bad actually. Mondays are typically busy, but I think I can twist Erica's arm to coming down more often.
2006.07.20 16.07 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Good to know.
2006.07.20 16.07 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Maybe we'll schedule a BBQ sometime and just chill in the evning.
2006.07.20 16.07 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: When the backyard isn't 1 million degrees Kelvin.
2006.07.20 16.07 (0kelvin) *self*: Awesome.
2006.07.20 16.08 (0kelvin) *self*: I'd look forward to it
2006.07.20 16.08 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: And we need to figure out when to make the beer.
2006.07.20 16.08 (0kelvin) *self*: Ohh, indeed.
2006.07.20 16.08 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Would you like me to check with the Mrs. about times this weekend to see if they mesh/match for you two?
2006.07.20 16.10 (0kelvin) *self*: On second thought, this weekend might be pushing it. I think Erica has a lot planned for us
2006.07.20 16.10 (0kelvin) *self*: However, I would like to plan something for the near future.
2006.07.20 16.10 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Gotcha.
2006.07.20 16.10 (0kelvin) *self*: brb.
2006.07.20 16.14 (0kelvin) *self*: Back.
2006.07.20 16.16 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hello.
2006.07.20 16.16 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.20 16.16 (0kelvin) *self*: Ahh, it feels good to be "back"
2006.07.20 16.16 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I think BoardGameGeek.com has me at 50 "games" in my collection.
2006.07.20 16.16 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I always find it strange to think I'm black.
2006.07.20 16.16 (0kelvin) *self*:
2006.07.20 16.17 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I prefer slightly transparent blue.
2006.07.20 16.17 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Or grey.
2006.07.20 16.17 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Blue-grey.
2006.07.20 16.17 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: With a hint of black.
2006.07.20 16.17 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Just a hint.
2006.07.20 16.17 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm so fraekin' bored it's not funny.
2006.07.20 16.17 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: But I did get a raise (in case you missed that announcement).
2006.07.20 16.18 (0kelvin) *self*: Things pretty slow for you?
2006.07.20 16.18 (0kelvin) *self*: I did miss that announcement. Congrats!!
2006.07.20 16.18 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Meh. Only 3.4% and as the boss said a token raise.
2006.07.20 16.18 (0kelvin) *self*: hehe
2006.07.20 16.18 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm out of stuff to work on.
2006.07.20 16.18 (0kelvin) *self*: Better than what I ever got at 72mm.
2006.07.20 16.18 (0kelvin) *self*: Oh, btw, Doug might be getting a new job this week. . . so that's pretty cool.
2006.07.20 16.18 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I have 1 thing to do and I think I'm going to save it for tomorrow so tomorrow isn't boring.
2006.07.20 16.18 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Sweet!
2006.07.20 16.18 (0kelvin) *self*: I hate that feeling.
2006.07.20 16.18 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: What'll he be doing?
2006.07.20 16.19 (0kelvin) *self*: Mostly what he does now, which is a completely random smattering of the style of jobs 72mmm takes on .
2006.07.20 16.19 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Cool. Cool.
2006.07.20 16.19 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: In Portland?
2006.07.20 16.20 (0kelvin) *self*: He established good rapports with some of the clients he'd been assigned to, and they were absolutly appaled at the paltry wages he'd been making. So they essentially offered him a job on the spot.
2006.07.20 16.20 (0kelvin) *self*: Yeah, the pearl district to be precise.
2006.07.20 16.20 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm so happy for him.
2006.07.20 16.20 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Tell him to take it.
2006.07.20 16.20 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Seth said so.
2006.07.20 16.20 (0kelvin) *self*: Me too.
2006.07.20 16.20 (0kelvin) *self*: haha
2006.07.20 16.21 (0kelvin) *self*: He had his whole family trying to get him to quit when they were out here for the wedding.
2006.07.20 16.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: And have him ask for an iBook as a hiring bonus.
2006.07.20 16.21 (0kelvin) *self*: It was funny.
2006.07.20 16.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Good for them.
2006.07.20 16.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: But now's the time to quit.
2006.07.20 16.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Seeing that he has a job offer.
2006.07.20 16.21 (0kelvin) *self*: Apparently Ryan 'made' him work 8 hours on the friday before the wedding.
2006.07.20 16.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I wish I had a good job offer. . . .
2006.07.20 16.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Son of a . . . .
2006.07.20 16.21 (0kelvin) *self*: /Why/ he actually listened to ryan will never make sense to me, but I can't beleive he even was asked.
2006.07.20 16.22 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I can't believe a church ever hired him.
2006.07.20 16.22 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: But then he's not working there anymore . . .
2006.07.20 16.22 (0kelvin) *self*: Hehe
2006.07.20 16.22 (0kelvin) *self*: Are you actively looking for work?
2006.07.20 16.22 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I am.
2006.07.20 16.22 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: In Salem only.
2006.07.20 16.22 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Not finding a thing.
2006.07.20 16.22 (0kelvin) *self*: Understood, and that's too bad.
2006.07.20 16.22 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: 'Though Borderlands does have a part time job.
2006.07.20 16.22 (0kelvin) *self*: I was going to say, I'd reccomend you for about three jobs I'm being asked to do in portland
2006.07.20 16.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I spend $6k a year in gas and car maintenance commtuing.
2006.07.20 16.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I need to stop.
2006.07.20 16.23 (0kelvin) *self*: I completely understand.
2006.07.20 16.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: And I want my 2 hours a day (10 a week!) back.
2006.07.20 16.23 (0kelvin) *self*: I don't blame you for that.
2006.07.20 16.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I have just enough time in the evenings to eat dinner and watch 1 tv show before its bedtime.
2006.07.20 16.24 (0kelvin) *self*: That's how I feel too.
2006.07.20 16.24 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: F-ing sucks and is undoing my vacation.
2006.07.20 16.24 (0kelvin) *self*: And installing mythtv is a full time job
2006.07.20 16.24 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Not feel, that actually _is_ my evenings.
2006.07.20 16.24 (0kelvin) *self*: Same here.
2006.07.20 16.24 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I just pay Dish Network $35/mo.
2006.07.20 16.24 (0kelvin) *self*: Hmm. This wireless connection leaves a bit to be desired.
2006.07.20 16.24 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Oh?
2006.07.20 16.24 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Dropped packets?
2006.07.20 16.25 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Slow speed?
2006.07.20 16.25 (0kelvin) *self*: Better than a blackberry though ;)
2006.07.20 16.25 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Weak signal strength?
2006.07.20 16.25 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hehehe.
2006.07.20 16.25 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm sure.
2006.07.20 16.27 (0kelvin) *self*: qOk, I'm still waiting to see something I typed a few minutes ago.
2006.07.20 16.27 (0kelvin) *self*: I can't even see my comment about a slow network yet.
2006.07.20 16.28 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Woah.
2006.07.20 16.28 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I don't think your comment about a slow network even made it.
2006.07.20 16.28 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I haven't seen it.
2006.07.21 09.20 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: morning
2006.07.21 09.20 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Morning.
2006.07.21 09.20 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: how are you feeling?
2006.07.21 09.20 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Bored?
2006.07.21 09.20 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Broke?
2006.07.21 09.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: We did watch Eureka last night.
2006.07.21 09.21 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Bifurcated?
2006.07.21 09.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: All but the last couple of minutes.
2006.07.21 09.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Stupid Sci-Fi channel.
2006.07.21 09.21 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: What did you think of it?
2006.07.21 09.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: No, not bifurcated.
2006.07.21 09.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: BRB.
2006.07.21 09.22 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It was doing that onmouseover="display
2006.07.21 09.22 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So what did I think of it . . .
2006.07.21 09.22 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I think the jury is still out.
2006.07.21 09.22 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: yeah, I'm with you.
2006.07.21 09.22 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I think it has potential to be interesting.
2006.07.21 09.22 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I want to like it. Like the main character. I chuckled though it.
2006.07.21 09.22 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: But I think if the writing and pacing don't pick up it'll be uninteresting.
2006.07.21 09.22 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: IT might be one of those shows that takes a season or two to get good (like Dead Zone).
2006.07.21 09.22 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Its definately tongue in cheek, which I can appreciate.
2006.07.21 09.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I really enjoyed seeing some familiar faces in the actors.
2006.07.21 09.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Like seeing Max Headroom again.
2006.07.21 09.23 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: The science was about as wrong as it could be, which was (I think) part of the humor. At least I hope so.
2006.07.21 09.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I didn't much go for the "this 'fugitive' is my daughter" bit though.
2006.07.21 09.23 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Yeah, but that accent was bizarre.
2006.07.21 09.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It was.
2006.07.21 09.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Sort of Aussy.
2006.07.21 09.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Yeah I don't expect them to do anything science-wise.
2006.07.21 09.24 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Nor do I accept the premise that Einstein setup the city and it's been a well-kept secret.
2006.07.21 09.24 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Nor that one place could be responsible for 99% of all our technology.
2006.07.21 09.24 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It's pretty well known that you need great diviersity for creativity.
2006.07.21 09.24 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.21 09.24 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I finished the first dvd of the 4400 season 2. The 4400 company/religion/nut jobs are sounding dangerously similar to Scientology.
2006.07.21 09.25 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Well yeah. But then, you didn't expect realism from the start, did you?
2006.07.21 09.25 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Not from Sci-Fi.
2006.07.21 09.25 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Although the preview for BGS season 3 looked fantastic.
2006.07.21 09.26 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Give the 4400 some more time.
2006.07.21 09.26 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm not sure I'd say Scientology but I would classify it as a cult in the stage of the series you are in.
2006.07.21 09.27 (0kelvin) *self*: Morning all.
2006.07.21 09.27 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Oh, that wasn't a criticism. THey are the bad guys after all.
2006.07.21 09.27 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Morning, jedediah
2006.07.21 09.27 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Or are they, dowaito-kun?
2006.07.21 09.27 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Morning jedediah.
2006.07.21 09.27 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: As for BGS. I can leave it, like I did back when the mini-series finished.
2006.07.21 09.27 (0kelvin) *self*: How are things?
2006.07.21 09.28 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Say, jedediah, doesn't your Blackberry have bluetooth and an internet connection? Couldn't you use your Blackberry's internet for your laptop?
2006.07.21 09.28 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: re. they
2006.07.21 09.28 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Shame on you dowaito-kun. BSG is actually the best writing I've ever seen on TV.
2006.07.21 09.28 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Even better than Firefly I think.
2006.07.21 09.28 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: But then I don't expect you to believe me, Mr. Prejudice.
2006.07.21 09.29 (0kelvin) *self*: fuji-dono
2006.07.21 09.29 (0kelvin) *self*: s/aptop/laptop
2006.07.21 09.30 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Your iPod is broken and you need to listen to your music.
2006.07.21 09.30 (0kelvin) *self*: That might work
2006.07.21 09.30 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Considering what's on television, I wouldn't say that's much of a compliment.
2006.07.21 09.30 (0kelvin) *self*: forgive my ignorance, but bgs == ??
2006.07.21 09.30 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: dowaito-kun
2006.07.21 09.30 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Battle Star Galactica
2006.07.21 09.30 (0kelvin) *self*: gotcha, thanks.
2006.07.21 09.30 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: s/ S/s/
2006.07.21 09.31 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Did you like Farscape?
2006.07.21 09.31 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It was okay.
2006.07.21 09.31 (0kelvin) *self*: brb
2006.07.21 09.32 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I bet you can guess what I thought of it.
2006.07.21 09.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You didn't like it in the least.
2006.07.21 09.32 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: But its probably good I hate most of the stuff on tv, otherwise I'd spend too much time watching it.
2006.07.21 09.32 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I knew you could do it.
2006.07.21 09.33 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You're on the road to being a curmudgeon you know.
2006.07.21 09.33 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I'll always be chasing you tho
2006.07.21 09.33 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.21 09.34 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Wow our friend the 'Nut is famous!
2006.07.21 09.34 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: And my contempt for 'mainstream' has never been a secret.
2006.07.21 09.34 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hehehehe.
2006.07.21 09.34 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.21 09.34 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: And far older than I thought.
2006.07.21 09.35 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I think it's safe to say he's so desperate to be in computers he's putting up with a terrible job.
2006.07.21 09.35 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I just wonder how long it'll take for him to see the light?
2006.07.21 09.35 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Nice cart
2006.07.21 09.35 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I don't know if I should have sympathy for him or just kick him in the butt now and then.
2006.07.21 09.36 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: BTW, dowaito-kun, today's Dilbert is all you.
2006.07.21 09.37 (0kelvin) *self*: Bac.
2006.07.21 09.37 (0kelvin) *self*: Had to get some coffee.
2006.07.21 09.37 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Do you take your coffee Black or just Bac?
2006.07.21 09.37 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.21 09.37 (0kelvin) *self*: Black, like I like my m. . . err. It's just black coffee.
2006.07.21 09.38 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Woohah!
2006.07.21 09.38 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Almost had that quote out of you.
2006.07.21 09.38 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So any good news about your father-in-law jedediah?
2006.07.21 09.39 (0kelvin) *self*: I'll find out soon I'm hoping.
2006.07.21 09.40 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I hope he takes that job and gets out of 72mm Hell.
2006.07.21 09.40 (0kelvin) *self*: Me too.
2006.07.21 09.40 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Would it be wrong of me to throw a party when we hear they had to close up shop/go bankrupt/skipped out of town?
2006.07.21 09.40 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'll invite you, Erika, Bill, and Doug.
2006.07.21 09.40 (0kelvin) *self*: On a completely different note
2006.07.21 09.40 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: We can even make an effigy of Ryan and burn it.
2006.07.21 09.40 (0kelvin) *self*: Hahaha. I'm already buying sreamers for said party.
2006.07.21 09.41 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Intelligent? Here?
2006.07.21 09.41 (0kelvin) *self*: s/sreamers/streamers/
2006.07.21 09.41 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Give it a shot.
2006.07.21 09.41 (0kelvin) *self*: Haha
2006.07.21 09.41 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I think dowaito-kun and I remember it well enough.
2006.07.21 09.41 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: What's on your mind?
2006.07.21 09.41 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Besides sex.
2006.07.21 09.41 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: And coffee.
2006.07.21 09.41 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.21 09.41 (0kelvin) *self*: Flash actionsscript, but that's a nother story.
2006.07.21 09.42 (0kelvin) *self*: My main questions are as follows
2006.07.21 09.43 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: The box maker was an AI.
2006.07.21 09.43 (0kelvin) *self*: Also, how did Mona lisa overdrive tie in to the trilogy? (I read it first /doh/, so I don't really know how ties in)
2006.07.21 09.43 (0kelvin) *self*: So why was an AI making boxes? Or was that just taken for granted?
2006.07.21 09.43 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: The trilogy itself ties to gethor in theme and in some characters, but not so much in events.
2006.07.21 09.44 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Was Molly Millions in Mona Lisa Overdrive?
2006.07.21 09.44 (0kelvin) *self*: Yes, as sally shears.
2006.07.21 09.44 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: There's your tie in.
2006.07.21 09.44 (0kelvin) *self*: Gotcha
2006.07.21 09.44 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Same world.
2006.07.21 09.44 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Same timeframe.
2006.07.21 09.44 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: The AI was piecing art together from the rubble of the dynasty that had created it. It was lonely and sad.
2006.07.21 09.44 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Gibson is loose with his trillogies.
2006.07.21 09.44 (0kelvin) *self*: So was that story basically about how people could live in the 'aleph'?
2006.07.21 09.45 (0kelvin) *self*: dowaito-kun
2006.07.21 09.45 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Even Gibson doesn't call them trilogies. Thats something everyone else calls them.
2006.07.21 09.45 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: "[Mona Lisa Overdrive" takes place eight years after the events of Count Zero and is set, as were its predecessors . . . ." http
2006.07.21 09.46 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.21 09.46 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: The main theme of the neuromancer books is the end of independent wealth and power, and the shift to corporate wealth and power. In each book another of the last independent powers is lost.
2006.07.21 09.46 (0kelvin) *self*: also in MLO, there was a significant plot about removing angie mitchell (the simstim star) and replacing her with a double. Now that I know her history (from count zero), it makes a lot more sense, but I don't really remember all of the details. Does anyone remember why she had to be replaced?
2006.07.21 09.47 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: No, I don't.
2006.07.21 09.47 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I take it, jedediah, that you just finished these books?
2006.07.21 09.47 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'll note, for the record, that I read them nearly 10 years ago.
2006.07.21 09.47 (0kelvin) *self*: A week ago or so.
2006.07.21 09.47 (0kelvin) *self*: I read MLO abou tthree months ago, neuromancer a month ago, and count zero a week ago.
2006.07.21 09.47 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.21 09.48 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I re-read the entire trilogy at least three times.
2006.07.21 09.48 (0kelvin) *self*: And now I'm ~12% of the way through cryptonomicon.
2006.07.21 09.48 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: And even then I still found connections I had missed. It is rather complex.
2006.07.21 09.48 (0kelvin) *self*: dowaito-kun
2006.07.21 09.49 (0kelvin) *self*: Well thanks for the answers.
2006.07.21 09.49 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Yeah, try it in order this time.
2006.07.21 09.49 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: "the maker is an AI that puts together the boxes with the relicts of the Tessier-Ashpool family"
2006.07.21 09.49 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.21 09.49 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: There you go jedediah.
2006.07.21 09.49 (0kelvin) *self*: Good resource
2006.07.21 09.49 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Didn't I already say that
2006.07.21 09.49 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You did.
2006.07.21 09.49 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: But I quoted something.
2006.07.21 09.50 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It's scholarship now baby!
2006.07.21 09.50 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: That is a great site. Good find, fuji-dono
2006.07.21 09.50 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Thanks.
2006.07.21 09.50 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Wikipedia on Molly Millions found it for me.
2006.07.21 09.50 (0kelvin) *self*: Alright, well I need to do some"work" on my "work" computer.
2006.07.21 09.51 (0kelvin) *self*: I'll be back as soon as I get bored, which shouldn't be long.
2006.07.21 09.51 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: See you 2 minuts then.
2006.07.21 09.51 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: "Sally's orders are to abduct the famous simstim star Angie Mitchell (which 3Jane is terribly envious of for no special reason) and leave a double's body dead. "
2006.07.21 09.51 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Seems there was no good reason for it jedediah.
2006.07.21 09.52 (0kelvin) *self*: Indeed. Thanks
2006.07.21 09.53 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Sure.
2006.07.21 09.53 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Unless, you consider the tech wired into her (Angela's) head. Consider how upset it made the Loa, I bet 3Jane had plans for it.
2006.07.21 09.53 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Could be, altough 3Jane was a construct in the Aleph . ..
2006.07.21 09.54 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: s/Consider/Considering/
2006.07.21 09.54 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So 3Jane didn't really "exist" as I recall.
2006.07.21 09.54 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: And the tie-in with all three books seems to be the Tiessier-Ashpool family.
2006.07.21 09.54 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: She had, but she transfered herself into the AI trying to buy immortality. It didn't work tho. She became a twisted freak (no soul?)
2006.07.21 09.55 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Right
2006.07.21 09.55 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Right, the last of the independant wealth and power.
2006.07.21 09.55 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Ah, so maybe she wanted to use that tech in the chicks head to gain a body again?
2006.07.21 09.55 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Now I see what you were getting at.
2006.07.21 09.56 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So, was this intelligent enough for jedediah?
2006.07.21 09.56 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Or play the power trip on other AIs? Hard to say
2006.07.21 09.56 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: He can tell us afer he reads the history.
2006.07.21 09.56 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: *after
2006.07.21 09.56 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Will he read the history though?
2006.07.21 09.57 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I need to borrow the rest of the Baroque Cycle from jedediah . . . but after I finish reading Sanctuary.
2006.07.21 09.57 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: That is some dense stuff, but I was really happy with it.
2006.07.21 09.57 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: It may be his greatest work yet.
2006.07.21 09.58 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I read the first one and then didn't have the time to borrow the others from the library.
2006.07.21 09.58 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: The way he wrote that first one I found myself not really knowing who to root for.
2006.07.21 09.58 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It seemed bereft of a hero.
2006.07.21 09.59 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Yeah, well I could help you with that, but its probably better that it unfolds the way the author intended.
2006.07.21 09.59 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.21 10.00 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: And better that you don't jeopardize or friendship so carelessly.
2006.07.21 10.00 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I will say this. The story is "hard sci fi" in style. I think it's the first time I've seen a fiction work use that same style.
2006.07.21 10.00 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Oddly, I found it very hard to re-read Cyrptonomicon, so much so that I have yet to actually do so.
2006.07.21 10.00 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It's well written, I'll give him that.
2006.07.21 10.01 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Cryptonomicon was kind of slow, even for him. And the ending was a tiny bit of a let down for me.
2006.07.21 10.01 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I don't actually recall the ending.
2006.07.21 10.02 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I just recall the way he wove the story together which I quite enjoyed.
2006.07.21 10.02 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: That and I recall the 2 page description of eating Captain Crunch, and then there was that graph about um . . . _you know_.
2006.07.21 10.02 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Yeah, that was really cool. And probably why I kept reading.
2006.07.21 10.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: What, the graph?
2006.07.21 10.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You sick-o.
2006.07.21 10.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.21 10.03 (0kelvin) *self*: To answer
2006.07.21 10.04 (0kelvin) *self*: fuji-dono
2006.07.21 10.04 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Nah.
2006.07.21 10.04 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Did you notice the tie in from Cryptonomicon to Quicksilver?
2006.07.21 10.04 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I've read Quicksilver, but I am 89 pages into a book now.
2006.07.21 10.04 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So it won't be for a while until I can read it.
2006.07.21 10.04 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Unless you don't mind not having it for a few months.
2006.07.21 10.04 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I did.
2006.07.21 10.04 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: With that one family.
2006.07.21 10.05 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Which I'm assuming will be the "hero" figure.
2006.07.21 10.05 (0kelvin) *self*: Well right now I only have 30mins/day for reading. That effectivly means I'll be done with cryptonomicon in 2008.
2006.07.21 10.05 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hehehe.
2006.07.21 10.05 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You get more than me it seems.
2006.07.21 10.05 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Though I hope to spend a good portion of tomorrow reading and/or writing.
2006.07.21 10.06 (0kelvin) *self*: Actually it's not /that/ bad. I've been reading it for three days and I'm already past the page 200 mark.
2006.07.21 10.06 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: See?
2006.07.21 10.06 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.21 10.06 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'll leave the decision up to you.
2006.07.21 10.06 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It is your book and I don't want to deprive you.
2006.07.21 10.07 (0kelvin) *self*: So you say you've already read the first volume, or just the first book?
2006.07.21 10.07 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: If you loan it to me it will force me to read it next.
2006.07.21 10.07 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I've read Quicksilver.
2006.07.21 10.07 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: You have Daniel Waterhouse, who is an ancestor of the main character from Cryptonomicon.
2006.07.21 10.07 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Right!
2006.07.21 10.07 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Him.
2006.07.21 10.07 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.21 10.07 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I've read that one jedediah.
2006.07.21 10.08 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I think Eliza is an ancester of the girl waterhouse's grandfather fell in love with.
2006.07.21 10.08 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Which become more aparent in later books.
2006.07.21 10.08 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Me too.
2006.07.21 10.08 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.21 10.08 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: That is the next one I wish to read jedediah.
2006.07.21 10.08 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Or is it?
2006.07.21 10.08 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: And Jack I am fairly certain is the ancestor of the leader of the soldiers who did crazy stuff so the Germans wouldn't know the allies were breaking their codes.
2006.07.21 10.09 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Jack has that STD . . . how does he reproduce?
2006.07.21 10.09 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You mean Enoch Root?
2006.07.21 10.09 (0kelvin) *self*: Yes fuji-dono , correct.
2006.07.21 10.09 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: No. Enoch is another person all togethor. Who is (I think) the very same Enoch waterhouse met on the plane.
2006.07.21 10.10 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Aw yeah. I was thinking that when I read it too. Some sort of "really old bugger" kind of thing.
2006.07.21 10.10 (0kelvin) *self*: The reason I was asking is because quicksilver (baroque cycle vol 1) is three books in one, the first of said three books is itself named 'quicksilver'. Afaik, it is getting harder to find the volumes in bookstores.
2006.07.21 10.10 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: yeah, in Cryptonomicon there was Robert "bobby" Shaftoe the Marine.
2006.07.21 10.10 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Right!
2006.07.21 10.10 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Now I know what you are getting at.
2006.07.21 10.11 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Yes.
2006.07.21 10.11 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Well Stephenson said as much in an interview I read.
2006.07.21 10.11 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: So, there is a pretty strong tie in... especially when the theme becomes clearer in later books.
2006.07.21 10.11 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: The Baroque Cycle will tell the tale of the ancestors of the major characters in Cyrptonomicon.
2006.07.21 10.12 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: JD. The volumes are "The Baroque Cycle Vol. 1
2006.07.21 10.13 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.21 10.13 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: For all here.
2006.07.21 10.13 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: And Jack's syphilis is a very interesting part of the story
2006.07.21 10.13 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Amazon appears to be selling the books now, not just the volumes.
2006.07.21 10.14 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Syphilis can make you go crazy no?
2006.07.21 10.15 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Yep. Its the only disease I know of that fits Jack's symptoms
2006.07.21 10.16 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.21 10.16 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I hope to play this soon.
2006.07.21 10.16 (0kelvin) *self*: K. Back to "work" for me for awhile.
2006.07.21 10.16 (0kelvin) *self*: Be back.
2006.07.21 10.16 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: And the ships from the Pirates! card game will make for some cool pieces.
2006.07.21 10.38 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So . . . PSM uses inDesign to layout it's magazine.
2006.07.21 10.38 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I didn't know inDesign was so powerful/popular/good.
2006.07.21 10.39 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: in fact, in the mac community everyone is switching to inDesign, since Adobe has updated in for ever.
2006.07.21 10.39 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: All the marketing people I know use inDesign
2006.07.21 10.39 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: " since Adobe has updated in for ever." ??
2006.07.21 10.39 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I've never played with it.
2006.07.21 10.40 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I know Holly would like to.
2006.07.21 10.40 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Did I ever mention how freakin' bored I am?
2006.07.21 10.41 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm all alone and all bored.
2006.07.21 10.43 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I'm sorry
2006.07.21 10.43 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm also going out of my ever-loving mind.
2006.07.21 10.43 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hm.
2006.07.21 10.43 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: If I were working in the print media realm I'd want to use InDesign.
2006.07.21 10.44 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Ive never heard of a bored insane person.
2006.07.21 10.44 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm always happy to be the first.
2006.07.21 10.48 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: ~wibble~
2006.07.21 10.50 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I'm going to lunch.
2006.07.21 10.50 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Cool.
2006.07.21 11.45 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I ate my afternoon snack with my lunch. Sure hope I don't regret it later.
2006.07.21 11.45 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Okairi?
2006.07.21 11.45 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Oooo.
2006.07.21 11.45 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I usually do.
2006.07.21 11.45 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Did I get that right?
2006.07.21 11.45 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Yes. Yes you did.
2006.07.21 11.45 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Spelling?
2006.07.21 11.46 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Yep
2006.07.21 11.46 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: (and if you're a real wise guy you'll say no and come back with the kana)
2006.07.21 11.46 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.21 11.46 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Cool.
2006.07.21 11.46 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Now you are making me wonder.
2006.07.21 11.46 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So, have you ever unconsciously said "itadakimasu" (sp)?
2006.07.21 11.47 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: s/ita/ite/ ?
2006.07.21 11.47 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Aw phoeey.
2006.07.21 11.47 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Nope I was wrong. It's 'okaeri'
2006.07.21 11.47 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun:
2006.07.21 11.47 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I don't know how to spell in Nihongo.
2006.07.21 11.48 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So about my other question . . .
2006.07.21 11.48 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Have you ever unconsciously said "itadakimasu" (sp)?
2006.07.21 11.48 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: not unconscioulsy, but I do say at dinner or when its a particularly good looking meal.
2006.07.21 11.48 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: And that is spelled correctly
2006.07.21 11.48 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I've caught myself saying it (to myself) at lunch a few times.
2006.07.21 11.48 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Just sort of slipped out before I knew it.
2006.07.21 11.52 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I say 'itekimasu' when I get home each eve. And my kids say 'okaeri' and 'okaeri-nesai'
2006.07.21 11.52 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: "itekimasu' ?
2006.07.21 11.52 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Not tadaima?
2006.07.21 11.52 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Your poor children.
2006.07.21 11.52 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Sorry, i meant tadaima
2006.07.21 11.52 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Whew.
2006.07.21 11.53 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I thought I was WAY out of touch, and not just out of touch.
2006.07.21 11.53 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: hehehehehe
2006.07.21 11.54 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: we say oyasumi at night too
2006.07.21 11.54 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Tim knows to say iie and hai
2006.07.21 11.54 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I say "kurosai" a lot to Holly.
2006.07.21 11.54 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.21 11.54 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: And the cats.
2006.07.21 11.54 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: j/k
2006.07.21 11.55 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: do you mean 'urusai' often translated as 'shut up'?
2006.07.21 11.55 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: No. As in "I'll kill you".
2006.07.21 11.55 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You know I can't spell it.
2006.07.21 11.55 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It's what they always say in good action flicks, and samurai movies.
2006.07.21 11.55 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.21 12.02 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I think the word you are looking for is 'korosu' the tense would change it to 'korosai'. But I don't know enough about declension of nihongo verbs to work that out.
2006.07.21 12.03 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: http
2006.07.21 12.04 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Well so much for my half-arsed joke then.
2006.07.21 12.05 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Nah. It was a good joke. It just lost a bit in translation.
2006.07.21 12.07 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: For the record, I say 'urusai' a lot. Waay too much.
2006.07.21 12.07 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hehehe.
2006.07.21 12.08 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Nice video.
2006.07.21 12.09 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Wow!!
2006.07.21 12.09 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Eh?
2006.07.21 12.09 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: s/w/W/ ?
2006.07.21 12.09 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: The story for Wild Arms V is being written by Kaori Kurosaki!!
2006.07.21 12.09 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Who is he?
2006.07.21 12.09 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Kurosaki-san is a decent selling fantasy novelist in Japan.
2006.07.21 12.09 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Okay.
2006.07.21 12.10 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Lunch time.
2006.07.21 12.10 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Its the first rpg written by a novelist.
2006.07.21 12.10 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Should make it even better.
2006.07.21 12.10 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Oh, fine. Have your silly lunch then.
2006.07.21 12.10 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun:
2006.07.21 12.10 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I will.
2006.07.21 12.10 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: And it could be worse.
2006.07.21 12.10 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: The game that is.
2006.07.21 12.11 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: There is a Nihongo phrase that got stuck in my head a while back.
2006.07.21 12.11 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Sashiburidani. (long time no see).
2006.07.21 12.13 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: "Hisashiburi de"?
2006.07.21 12.15 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I think that's the right phrase, since 'h' is sometimes so soft its hard to hear for us gaijin. But it could be a variant as well. or colloquial use?
2006.07.21 12.35 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I spelled it as I've heard it many times.
2006.07.21 12.35 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So who knows.
2006.07.21 12.35 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Maybe I'm being Phoenecian.
2006.07.21 12.35 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun:
2006.07.21 12.36 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Or Sryian.
2006.07.21 12.36 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: But one thing I'm not. I'm not Russian right now.
2006.07.21 12.36 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: But you are Finnish. With lunch anyway
2006.07.21 12.36 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Nope.
2006.07.21 12.36 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I got 30 minutes to go.
2006.07.21 12.36 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Ja ne.
2006.07.21 13.19 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: welcome back jedediah
2006.07.21 13.22 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Tadaima.
2006.07.21 13.24 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So jedediah, how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if your bosses gave you full Internet access?
2006.07.21 13.26 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: okaeri
2006.07.21 13.30 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So the boss just told me it's "well over 100 out there" and accuweather says 88.
2006.07.21 13.30 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: dashboard weather says 98 for Salem. Man that's some miserable summer weather for you guys.
2006.07.21 13.31 (0kelvin) *self*: Sure is.
2006.07.21 13.31 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Here its over 100 till Tuesday
2006.07.21 13.31 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Um I only show 89 on my dashboard.
2006.07.21 13.31 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: But its a dry heat.
2006.07.21 13.31 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Dry heat is good.
2006.07.21 13.31 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Er preferable.
2006.07.21 13.31 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: And Dashboard == AccuWeather.com
2006.07.21 13.31 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: really. I didn't realize.
2006.07.21 13.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: That's what is says when I go to set the city to check.
2006.07.21 13.32 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: hehe, guess I should have noticed when I set the settings.
2006.07.21 13.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.21 13.32 (0kelvin) *self*: I think accuweather is wrong. Most of the indicators show 100 around here.
2006.07.21 13.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Are they in the shade or direct sunlight.
2006.07.21 13.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: That will make a difference.
2006.07.21 13.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: And the "official" reading is out at the Salem aiport.
2006.07.21 13.33 (0kelvin) *self*: Both
2006.07.21 13.33 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Maybe my dashboard widget hasn't refreshed . . .
2006.07.21 13.33 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: and who knows how often it is updated.
2006.07.21 13.33 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: dowaito-kun, do you still have that google map weather link thingy?
2006.07.21 13.34 (0kelvin) *self*: fuji-dono
2006.07.21 13.34 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: What if I called you WoodChuck?
2006.07.21 13.34 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Then would it care?
2006.07.21 13.35 (0kelvin) *self*: I can't really talk with the network guys though, they're in a different department.
2006.07.21 13.35 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Yes, its http
2006.07.21 13.35 (0kelvin) *self*: Depends on what instance name you gave it.
2006.07.21 13.36 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Thanks dowaito-kun.
2006.07.21 13.36 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: do itashimashte
2006.07.21 13.37 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Why would I want to touch your mustache?
2006.07.21 13.38 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Because it hasn
2006.07.21 13.38 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Eh?
2006.07.21 13.38 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Because it hasn't been trimmed in weeks
2006.07.21 13.38 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Going for the walrus look?
2006.07.21 13.39 (0kelvin) *self*: dowaito-kun
2006.07.21 13.39 (0kelvin) *self*: brb
2006.07.21 13.42 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Walrus? Nah, they aren't scraggly enough.
2006.07.21 13.44 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Go for it!
2006.07.21 13.47 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Scraggly
2006.07.21 13.49 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: If I had a good headshot of dowaito-kun I'd monkey around.
2006.07.21 13.50 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: If I had a good headshot of jedediah ... well, lets just say I'
2006.07.21 13.50 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I'd need to be alone for a while.
2006.07.21 13.50 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Eeeewww.
2006.07.21 13.50 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hentai!
2006.07.21 13.50 (0kelvin) *self*: yeck.
2006.07.21 13.50 (0kelvin) *self*: s/e/u/
2006.07.21 13.50 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun:
2006.07.21 13.53 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.21 13.53 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Bwhahahahahah! It's _still_ up!
2006.07.21 13.53 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: hehehehe
2006.07.21 13.54 (0kelvin) *self*:
2006.07.21 13.55 (0kelvin) *self*: Any backdoors still open? ;)
2006.07.21 13.56 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: shweeet http
2006.07.21 13.57 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: If I could remember root's password I bet it hasn't been changed.
2006.07.21 13.57 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I thought you hated podcasts dowaito-kun.
2006.07.21 13.57 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Yep, for the most part. But I'd be more open to experiment with this.
2006.07.21 14.00 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: The thing I hate most about podcasts, is that I can skim over the crap.
2006.07.21 14.01 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: s/can/can't/
2006.07.21 14.01 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I have to listen to the whole stinking pile to get the one clever or interesting bit
2006.07.21 14.01 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Yes. Thank you
2006.07.21 14.01 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You have no patience.
2006.07.21 14.01 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I have no patience for idiocy, you mean.
2006.07.21 14.02 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You have patience for 'Nut and jedediah . . . .
2006.07.21 14.02 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: *zing*
2006.07.21 14.02 (0kelvin) *self*: Which makes you wonder why he still talks to you. . .
2006.07.21 14.03 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: wow. Its all *zing* up in here.
2006.07.21 14.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Because I'm all ~wibble~
2006.07.21 14.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It's different. -><-
2006.07.21 14.03 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Word! I mean Hail Eris!
2006.07.21 14.03 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: "Think Different, Think FNORD"
2006.07.21 14.04 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn! Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah-nagl fhtagan!
2006.07.21 14.05 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Almost there . . .
2006.07.21 14.05 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Link incoming in 10 minues.
2006.07.21 14.07 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Puuuuuuurfect.
2006.07.21 14.08 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Still waiting for the link
2006.07.21 14.08 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.21 14.08 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: hahahahahahhahaha
2006.07.21 14.09 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I think I like the charlie chapman one best.
2006.07.21 14.09 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Now tile it, background it, and put "SCRAGGLY" in the center.
2006.07.21 14.09 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Which one is that?
2006.07.21 14.10 (0kelvin) *self*: lol
2006.07.21 14.10 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Refresh. I added one.
2006.07.21 14.10 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: A Charlie Chan one.
2006.07.21 14.10 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Actually you don't look too bad with the long soul patch.
2006.07.21 14.11 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Or the Hitler.
2006.07.21 14.11 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I wouldn't do the Abe Lincoln though.
2006.07.21 14.11 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Or maybe I would . . .
2006.07.21 14.11 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Wear a top hat and proclaim yourself king of America.
2006.07.21 14.11 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: If only that was even close to my beard color.
2006.07.21 14.11 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I have lots of grey in my beard.
2006.07.21 14.11 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Meh. Dye it.
2006.07.21 14.11 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Women do it to their hair.
2006.07.21 14.11 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: And I don't want to be king, I want to be emperor.
2006.07.21 14.12 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: We already had one of those.
2006.07.21 14.12 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: And its high time we had another.
2006.07.21 14.12 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Did I miss any particular style?
2006.07.21 14.12 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: inverse soul patch
2006.07.21 14.12 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Eeew.
2006.07.21 14.12 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: hehehehe
2006.07.21 14.12 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You aren't that much red-neck are you?
2006.07.21 14.13 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Eyebrows combed into a mustache?
2006.07.21 14.13 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: What? Can't see you anymore.
2006.07.21 14.13 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Dawn isn't impressed with your photoshop work.
2006.07.21 14.14 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: REfresh again.
2006.07.21 14.14 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Poo.
2006.07.21 14.14 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It's not PhotoShop.
2006.07.21 14.14 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It's ChocoFlopp!
2006.07.21 14.14 (0kelvin) *self*: Handlebar mustache with waxed tops?
2006.07.21 14.14 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm not that skilled at ChocoFlop.
2006.07.21 14.14 (0kelvin) *self*: s/top/tip
2006.07.21 14.14 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Dawn doesn't appreciate a good beard.
2006.07.21 14.14 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: No, she really doesn't
2006.07.21 14.14 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Tell her they tickle.
2006.07.21 14.15 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: She doesn't like the tickle.
2006.07.21 14.15 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: And just where would this be? >
2006.07.21 14.15 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: her navel?
2006.07.21 14.16 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Woohoo!
2006.07.21 14.16 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: That's good tickle.
2006.07.21 14.16 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: hehehehehe
2006.07.21 14.16 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Tell her she might have nerve damage.
2006.07.21 14.17 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: She should see a certain "doctor" McDowell tonight.
2006.07.21 14.17 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hehehehe.
2006.07.21 14.17 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: HAHAHAH
2006.07.21 14.18 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Dawn says "they are itchy"
2006.07.21 14.18 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.21 14.18 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Not at that length!
2006.07.21 14.18 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: And yes, I'm _that_ bored.
2006.07.21 14.18 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I forgot to grin.
2006.07.21 14.18 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Holly Freaking Quakers, Batman!
2006.07.21 14.19 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It's down to my collar bone when I contour my neck.
2006.07.21 14.19 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Holly's stopped complaining.
2006.07.21 14.19 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Though now she plays with it on occation.
2006.07.21 14.19 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.21 14.20 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I figure I can have it braided for TLAPD.
2006.07.21 14.20 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Tag?
2006.07.21 14.20 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Hide and seek?
2006.07.21 14.20 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Tag?
2006.07.21 14.20 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Heheheh.
2006.07.21 14.20 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: What Holly plays with your beard.
2006.07.21 14.20 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: TLAPD?
2006.07.21 14.20 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Talk Like a Pirate Day
2006.07.21 14.20 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Sept. 19.
2006.07.21 14.20 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Let's just say they aren't reindeer games.
2006.07.21 14.20 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: oh yeah!
2006.07.21 14.21 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: kaizoku (KD^O)
2006.07.21 14.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: What is that?
2006.07.21 14.21 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: pirate.
2006.07.21 14.22 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: You could also say ѤìüÄ
2006.07.21 14.22 (0kelvin) *self*: brb
2006.07.21 14.22 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: paireetsu
2006.07.21 14.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You can tell Dawn that if she wants better PhotoShop skills out of me she'll have to pony up with some cash.
2006.07.21 14.23 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Nope. She's saving for CS2
2006.07.21 14.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Eh?
2006.07.21 14.23 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: CS2. The application suite photoshop comes in. You can't buy JUST photoshop anymore.
2006.07.21 14.24 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Ah.
2006.07.21 14.24 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Silly Adobe.
2006.07.21 14.24 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Very.
2006.07.21 14.26 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'll leave those beards up for a few weeks, then they'll probably dissappear.
2006.07.21 14.26 (0kelvin) *self*: Tell her to buy CS1 if she can still find it.
2006.07.21 14.26 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Why?
2006.07.21 14.26 (0kelvin) *self*: Or to wait entirely if you guys ever plan on buying intel computers.
2006.07.21 14.26 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Is it that bad?
2006.07.21 14.27 (0kelvin) *self*: CS2 is 'teh suck'. it's essentially the same featuresets with cs1 and cs2, b ut cs1 is notably faster perfomance-wise.
2006.07.21 14.27 (0kelvin) *self*: And any version is unusable under rosetta emulation.
2006.07.21 14.28 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: As in too slow?
2006.07.21 14.28 (0kelvin) *self*: It's too slow the 50% of times it actually launches without crashing.
2006.07.21 14.28 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Woo hoo.
2006.07.21 14.28 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Way to go Adobe for not being on the ball
2006.07.21 14.29 (0kelvin) *self*: Indeed.
2006.07.21 14.29 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Who knows how much legacy code they have though . . .
2006.07.21 14.29 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I don't think I'd want to dev for them.
2006.07.21 14.29 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: you know. Apple told them in 2002 to stop using code warrior, and switch to xcode.
2006.07.21 14.29 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: They wouldn't listen.
2006.07.21 14.29 (0kelvin) *self*: From the rumors I've heard, they have _lots_ of assembly code in their respective codebases.
2006.07.21 14.29 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: They are still another year (At best guess) from an Intel version.
2006.07.21 14.29 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: dowaito-kun
2006.07.21 14.30 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Eeew.
2006.07.21 14.30 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Suckers!
2006.07.21 14.30 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Dawn's computer (not intel) handles cs2 just fine tho.
2006.07.21 14.30 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Too bad they don't really have any competition.
2006.07.21 14.30 (0kelvin) *self*: Indeed.
2006.07.21 14.30 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You already have it?
2006.07.21 14.30 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: She has the trial. To make sure it works.
2006.07.21 14.30 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.21 14.30 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: That was a fun game back in the day.
2006.07.21 14.31 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: dowaito-kun
2006.07.21 14.31 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: What's she going to be doing with it?'
2006.07.21 14.31 (0kelvin) *self*: the only product that was /going/ to give them competition (maybe) was purchased and done away with. very microsoftian.
2006.07.21 14.31 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Scrapbooking stuff?
2006.07.21 14.31 (0kelvin) *self*: Lode Runner? I loved that game.
2006.07.21 14.31 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: If I found an OSX knock off I'd play it.
2006.07.21 14.31 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I never much cared for it myself.
2006.07.21 14.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You were too old.
2006.07.21 14.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Jaded.
2006.07.21 14.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Conflicted.
2006.07.21 14.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Something.
2006.07.21 14.32 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: She does digital scrapbooking. In fact she's made some money doing that too.
2006.07.21 14.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Sweet deal!
2006.07.21 14.33 (0kelvin) *self*: ok, time for me to go back to work.
2006.07.21 14.33 (0kelvin) *self*: be back in awhile.
2006.07.21 14.34 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I've been wondering of late how hard it would be to program simple games (c.f. worms and lode runner) for OSX.
2006.07.21 14.34 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I don't know the first thing about it though.
2006.07.21 15.13 (0kelvin) *self*: ~wibble~
2006.07.21 15.14 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.21 15.14 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm going over some Rails tutorials.
2006.07.21 15.14 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Still frustrating as heck.
2006.07.21 15.14 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: A lot of "how" but little to no "why".
2006.07.21 15.14 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.21 15.14 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Everyone seems to rely on ActiveRecord without explaining what it is, how it works, and what it expects.
2006.07.21 15.14 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Shame on them.
2006.07.21 15.14 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: ActiveRecord is Rails "Little Black Box of Magicy Goodness"(TM).
2006.07.21 15.15 (0kelvin) *self*: n00bs.
2006.07.21 15.16 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Yeah well the api docs aren't much better.
2006.07.21 15.16 (0kelvin) *self*: That's one of the reasons I've never been /really/ comfortable working in rails.
2006.07.21 15.16 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I don't get all the hype really.
2006.07.21 15.16 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Ruby is still slow.
2006.07.21 15.16 (0kelvin) *self*: Much better than what? there are no docs on how it works. that's why no one knows.
2006.07.21 15.16 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Rails is incomprehensible.
2006.07.21 15.16 (0kelvin) *self*: I just don't feel like digging through source code to figure it out.
2006.07.21 15.16 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: And if you go outside the limitations of the scaffold you're back to square 1 anyway.
2006.07.21 15.16 (0kelvin) *self*: That's not true actually.
2006.07.21 15.17 (0kelvin) *self*: ActiveRecord really does help simplify code.
2006.07.21 15.17 (0kelvin) *self*: Howver, I don't think it's much better than other ORMs that I've used.
2006.07.21 15.18 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: ORM?
2006.07.21 15.18 (0kelvin) *self*: Object Relational Model (IIRC)
2006.07.21 15.18 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Ah.
2006.07.21 15.18 (0kelvin) *self*: The tool that provides the mapping from database tables to class instances.
2006.07.21 15.18 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Right.
2006.07.21 15.19 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Right now I do it all by hand, which is tedious, but I only do it once anyway.
2006.07.21 15.20 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Remember that rails doesn't just setup the ORM, it also sets up the models, and views for each table.
2006.07.21 15.20 (0kelvin) *self*: Ahh
2006.07.21 15.20 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: That is a significant time saving in itself.
2006.07.21 15.20 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Not really.
2006.07.21 15.20 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: At this point in my development here at Boredom Central it would have only saved a fraction of the time I've actually spent coding.
2006.07.21 15.20 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: But I see what you mean.
2006.07.21 15.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Still, I don't get all the hype.
2006.07.21 15.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Maybe ya'll should show me by working on Papyrus . . .
2006.07.21 15.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.21 15.21 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: As far as slow, mongrel is waaay faster, and once you deploy to apache2 with fastcgi or httlight its as fast php or whatever.
2006.07.21 15.22 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It's still incomprehensible.
2006.07.21 15.22 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Finaly, and maybe most importantly is Ruby itself. The lnaguage is like OSX. Its got all these little things built into its design that just make it much more pleasurable to work with.
2006.07.21 15.22 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: And no, I don't want to pay for the book.
2006.07.21 15.23 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I'm not arguing that there is a lack of documentation, because there is.
2006.07.21 15.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I have yet to see that in Ruby. Personally.
2006.07.21 15.23 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: And its changing so fast, that even the book is out of date in some areas.
2006.07.21 15.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Oh goodie.
2006.07.21 15.24 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: There is a good site provided with changes for the book, so your not helpless.
2006.07.21 15.24 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Just put out.
2006.07.21 15.25 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: 2nd edition is on the way, and it is significantly different than 1st edition.
2006.07.21 15.25 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: But I don't mind. The programmers have to get paid in some way I guess.
2006.07.21 15.25 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I still don't want to pay for it.
2006.07.21 15.25 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: http
2006.07.21 15.25 (0kelvin) *self*: No one is asking you to.
2006.07.21 15.25 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: As you can see, there have been tons of changes.
2006.07.21 15.26 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Ugh.
2006.07.21 15.28 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I prefer to use ruby, JSON, REST, and AJAX for most of my projects.
2006.07.21 15.28 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I'd use rails for something big. Multiple datapoints, administration, session handling, etc. The kind of project that takes weeks not days.
2006.07.21 15.29 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I can't use ruby until I learn it and rails, and since I don't want to pay for the books I don't see that happening (at all?).
2006.07.21 15.29 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: dowaito-kun
2006.07.21 15.29 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I have yet to use rails in a production project.
2006.07.21 15.30 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I run a local wiki written on rails, but I never touch the code.
2006.07.21 15.30 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I love Ruby. I can even use ruby for cocoa apps.
2006.07.21 15.30 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Don't get me wrong
2006.07.21 15.30 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I just don't grok it.
2006.07.21 15.30 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Eeew. That ain't right. ;)
2006.07.21 15.30 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: hehehehe
2006.07.21 15.30 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Obj-C/Cocoa all the way.
2006.07.21 15.31 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Oh, I love obj-c too.
2006.07.21 15.31 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I haven't learned much about cocoa tho.
2006.07.21 15.31 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Too busy playing WoW.
2006.07.21 15.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hehehe.
2006.07.21 15.32 (0kelvin) *self*: Fwiw, the free version of the ruby book that's online is effectively the same book that's in print right now. It's a /very/ good book on the language.
2006.07.21 15.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Yeah I read it once.
2006.07.21 15.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I wasn't moved.
2006.07.21 15.32 (0kelvin) *self*: I'm not saying you need to learn it or anything, but just for the record.
2006.07.21 15.32 (0kelvin) *self*: Then I'd say ruby isn't for you
2006.07.21 15.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: For the record Ruby doesn't appeal to me like Perl did.
2006.07.21 15.33 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Also, in OSX I have less cause to script than I did/do in Linux.
2006.07.21 15.33 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So while in Linux I used and needed Perl every day, I haven't had to touch either of them in about 2 years.
2006.07.21 15.33 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I wonder what that says about the OSes. . . .
2006.07.21 15.33 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I agree with you on that, fuji-dono. Luckily I get paid to play with ruby all I want at work.
2006.07.21 15.34 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I get paid to read web pages and keep ya'll entertained.
2006.07.21 15.34 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: then you better get to work, I am not feeling entertained.
2006.07.21 15.34 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: There's no entertaining you dowaito-kun.
2006.07.21 15.35 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Just like I can never be happy, you can't be truly entertained.
2006.07.21 15.35 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: We are myth.
2006.07.21 15.35 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: We don't quite exist.
2006.07.21 15.35 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: illusion ftw
2006.07.21 15.35 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: We hover at the fringes of other people's perception of reality.
2006.07.21 15.35 (0kelvin) *self*: I'm glad I have a simple mind. I can be both happy and entertained.
2006.07.21 15.35 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: ftw?
2006.07.21 15.35 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: jedediah
2006.07.21 15.35 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: ftw == for the win
2006.07.21 15.35 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hey, he snores all by himself.
2006.07.21 15.35 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Oh, yeah.
2006.07.21 15.36 (0kelvin) *self*: ??
2006.07.21 15.36 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: He is easily entertained.
2006.07.21 15.36 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: jedediah, please tell me you don't dance by yourself.
2006.07.21 15.36 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I think jedediah might not know the "code".
2006.07.21 15.36 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.21 15.36 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: "If I had the chance, I'd ask the world to dance. Dancin' by myself. oh oh oooh"
2006.07.21 15.37 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: s/by/with/
2006.07.21 15.37 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: According to jedediah's dad, sex leads to dancing.
2006.07.21 15.37 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It gives new meaning to all those dance competitions.
2006.07.21 15.38 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: jedediah's dad is actually quite a fun guy at a party.
2006.07.21 15.38 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Very friendly and jovial.
2006.07.21 15.38 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Just in case dowaito-kun got the idea he's a dirty old man.
2006.07.21 15.38 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: But does he drink all the beer?
2006.07.21 15.39 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Nah. He goes for the worm in the tequilla.
2006.07.21 15.39 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: j/k
2006.07.21 15.39 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I think jedediah got distracted by his job or lost his 'net connection again.
2006.07.21 15.40 (0kelvin) *self*: nope. just have no comments. I didn't know there was a "code"
2006.07.21 15.42 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It must have been defined while you were out.
2006.07.21 15.42 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It was "defined" many months ago.
2006.07.21 15.42 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Okay, the code is this
2006.07.21 15.45 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.21 15.45 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hmm...jedediah might be offended now.
2006.07.21 15.45 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.21 15.45 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Um, not by that link either.
2006.07.21 15.48 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: too old
2006.07.21 15.48 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: That link?
2006.07.21 15.49 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: yes
2006.07.21 15.49 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: or rather the content to which the link pointed
2006.07.21 15.50 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I try to entertain you. It's futile.
2006.07.21 15.50 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: HAHAHAHA
2006.07.21 15.50 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Dang. I thought WWII was like last decade.
2006.07.21 15.50 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Crap.
2006.07.21 15.50 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: You failure is entertining
2006.07.21 15.50 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Time warp.
2006.07.21 15.50 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: s/ou/our/
2006.07.21 15.51 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Oh goodie.
2006.07.21 15.51 (0kelvin) Jester: Yeah . . . I got nothin'.
2006.07.21 15.51 (0kelvin) Jester: False alarm.
2006.07.21 15.51 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: now that we all know what 'snoring' is, can I say "snoring a!"
2006.07.21 15.51 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: Sure.
2006.07.21 15.51 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: fugu-dono? oooh, dangerous
2006.07.21 15.51 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: If I can say, "hey dowaito-kun, why don't go you dance the night away."
2006.07.21 15.52 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: Arr!
2006.07.21 15.52 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: hehehe
2006.07.21 15.52 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: snore off you little nose
2006.07.21 15.52 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: Oy! 'E's not little!
2006.07.21 15.52 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun:
2006.07.21 15.52 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: I'd say it's getting Randy in here but we haven't invited him.
2006.07.21 15.52 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: That could be changed
2006.07.21 15.53 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: It could, but then we'd all be miserable.
2006.07.21 15.53 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: He is having a daughter, by the way.
2006.07.21 15.53 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: Another?
2006.07.21 15.53 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: And is properly married, so here's hoping.
2006.07.21 15.53 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: This will be only his third daughter
2006.07.21 15.54 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: I swear, the government should keep an eye on him. If the population should take a dive due to some epidemic he'd be able to repopulate in just a few decades.
2006.07.21 15.54 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: What number of kid will it be?
2006.07.21 15.54 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: And after the divorce how much child support will this one be?
2006.07.21 15.54 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Which means daughters.count == sons.count
2006.07.21 15.54 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: As far as we know.
2006.07.21 15.54 (0kelvin) fugu-dono:
2006.07.21 15.55 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: randy.children.bastards.count == ?
2006.07.21 15.55 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: And only God knows how many abortions
2006.07.21 15.55 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: Oh dear. I should hope not . . . but then . . . I'd expect it.
2006.07.21 15.55 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: randy.bastards.count == 2
2006.07.21 15.56 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: Are you a bastard if you are born or conceived out of wedlock?
2006.07.21 15.56 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: randy.children.count == 6
2006.07.21 15.56 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: He'd make a great mormon, that one
2006.07.21 15.56 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: According to dictionary.com "A child born out of wedlock.".
2006.07.21 15.56 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: So you've got 9 months to rescue the social fate of your child . . .
2006.07.21 15.56 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I said. He's already properly married.
2006.07.21 15.56 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: Right.
2006.07.21 15.57 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Got married last month.
2006.07.21 15.57 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: But I've always considered it to be conception and not birth.
2006.07.21 15.57 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: He was married to Nancy, and he married Fiona when she got pregnant.
2006.07.21 15.57 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: So, suprisingly few bastards in the litter.
2006.07.21 15.57 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: How many marriages has he had now?
2006.07.21 15.57 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: 3
2006.07.21 15.58 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: Somehow I pity Randy.
2006.07.21 15.58 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: For some reason he seems to be perpetually holding the short end of the stick.
2006.07.21 15.58 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Oh he is definately pittyable
2006.07.21 15.59 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: He's like some tragic greek figure from mythology.
2006.07.21 15.59 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: Just so long as he's not Odysius.
2006.07.21 15.59 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Any way, I hate to leave on a bad note - but it's time for me to go.
2006.07.21 15.59 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: Er I mean Oedipus.
2006.07.21 15.59 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: Go grow a beard.
2006.07.21 15.59 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Have a good weekend
2006.07.21 15.59 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: You too.
2006.07.21 15.59 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: jaa ne
2006.07.21 15.59 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: jaa ne
2006.07.21 16.26 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: What the crap? My birthday is on a Monday this year.
2006.07.21 16.26 (0kelvin) fugu-dono:
2006.07.21 16.29 (0kelvin) *self*: doh!
2006.07.21 16.30 (0kelvin) *self*: Ever since I've been in college, my birthday has correlated pretty closely with the first day of school. That's never fun.
2006.07.21 16.30 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: Hey how is your summer class going?
2006.07.21 16.31 (0kelvin) *self*: meh
2006.07.21 16.31 (0kelvin) *self*: It's a group project, and no one (including me) really cares all too much.
2006.07.21 16.31 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: You are going to graduate right?
2006.07.21 16.31 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: As in get that $40M piece of paper?
2006.07.21 16.31 (0kelvin) *self*: Probably.
2006.07.21 16.34 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: Those darned things are expensive and don't always amount to much in the end.
2006.07.21 16.34 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: Who knows . . . maybe by now you can code circles around me though.
2006.07.21 16.35 (0kelvin) *self*: Probably not.
2006.07.21 16.35 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: Flattery will get you nowhere.
2006.07.21 16.35 (0kelvin) *self*: That's the funny thing. People there get a lot of experience in working with C and Java as it relates to class assignments.
2006.07.21 16.36 (0kelvin) *self*: Very few people have an understanding of how to work within a larger system.
2006.07.21 16.36 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: Yep.
2006.07.21 16.36 (0kelvin) *self*: Also, it's scary that people graduate without a good understanding of how they can learn new material and be successful.
2006.07.21 16.36 (0kelvin) *self*: Pretty much everyone I know there that passes as a half decent coder learns thing s elsewhere.
2006.07.21 16.36 (0kelvin) *self*: At any rate, that my $0.02.
2006.07.21 16.37 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: It's also scarry that Bill has a CS degree but doesn't have a good grasp of SysAdmin stuff in Linux . . .
2006.07.21 16.37 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: I mean . . . shouldn't he have learned some of that for his $$?
2006.07.21 16.37 (0kelvin) *self*: In summary, I probably /can/ code circles around you, but it's not because of school.
2006.07.21 16.37 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: I'd feel ripped off.
2006.07.21 16.37 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: Insults will also get you nowhere.
2006.07.21 16.37 (0kelvin) *self*: Yeah, I'd feel ripped off too.
2006.07.21 16.37 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: But then with my 10 years experience I still can't find work.
2006.07.21 16.38 (0kelvin) *self*: But do you want sysadmin work?
2006.07.21 16.38 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: Not really.
2006.07.21 16.38 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: Not unless I had a Jr. Admin from the start.
2006.07.21 16.38 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: And I didn't have to sell my soul to MS Server 2003.
2006.07.21 16.39 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: I'd really like to do programming, but not .NET if I can avoid it.
2006.07.21 16.39 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: MS Development has always been painful for me.
2006.07.21 16.42 (0kelvin) *self*: As it should be
2006.07.21 16.42 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: Hehehe.
2006.07.21 16.42 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: I'm not sure I'll be able to find non-MS work in Salem though.
2006.07.21 16.43 (0kelvin) *self*: probably not for good money anyway.
2006.07.21 16.44 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: You know, if I thought it would work, I'd take that part-time job at Borderlands and spend the rest of the time developing Mac software to sell.
2006.07.21 16.45 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: BTW, we've got water and ice tea for tonight.
2006.07.21 16.46 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: And sherbet, salad, couscous, (pita bread if we want it), and jellied cranberry sauce.
2006.07.21 16.46 (0kelvin) *self*: cool
2006.07.21 16.46 (0kelvin) *self*: very nice.
2006.07.21 16.46 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: Sound pallettable?
2006.07.21 16.46 (0kelvin) *self*: definately
2006.07.21 16.46 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: I just realized pita + couscous + kebobs might be a nice mix.
2006.07.21 16.47 (0kelvin) *self*: indeed
2006.07.21 16.57 (0kelvin) *self*: Alright, time for me to get headed out.
2006.07.21 16.58 (0kelvin) *self*: See you soon.
2006.07.21 16.58 (0kelvin) fugu-dono: Will do.
2006.07.24 09.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: MOrning.
2006.07.24 14.11 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Lots of action today . . .
2006.07.24 14.11 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So boring . . .
2006.07.24 14.12 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So bored.
2006.07.24 15.57 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: hi
2006.07.24 15.57 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hello.
2006.07.24 15.58 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: my battery died
2006.07.24 15.58 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: lol
2006.07.24 15.58 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Ouch.
2006.07.24 15.58 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: I had a full charge at 4am when I unplugged it.
2006.07.24 15.58 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Ouch again.
2006.07.24 15.59 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: I guess being on google talk for 12 hours, a dozen e-mails, 1 phone call, and 45min of satelite view of google maps runs your battery down ;)
2006.07.24 15.59 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I guess so.
2006.07.24 15.59 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: How do you like the interface?
2006.07.24 16.00 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: I may be looking into the extended battery...
2006.07.24 16.00 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I imagine you type with your thumbs?
2006.07.24 16.00 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: I haven't used it enough to know for sure, but I like it so far
2006.07.24 16.00 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Or just carry around a charger . . .
2006.07.24 16.00 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: yeah, I am now a two-thumbed typer
2006.07.24 16.00 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So that's two thumbs up, and down, and up, and down, and up . . . .
2006.07.24 16.01 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: lol
2006.07.24 16.01 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So will you and the little woman make it out to our game day next weekend?
2006.07.24 16.02 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: not sure yet. We have to check with my parents...
2006.07.24 16.02 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: even if I do come into work on Saturday, I'll be leaving way before 3
2006.07.24 16.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I just hope it doesn't turn out to be a hot day . . .
2006.07.24 16.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: There's no AC in The Game Room (aka Dining Room).
2006.07.24 16.03 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: it would be a nice break to go play games with no kids
2006.07.24 16.03 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: ah
2006.07.24 16.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: yeah . . . kids can be distracting, especially when they choke on the pieces.
2006.07.24 16.04 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: well then , as long as you don't mind me being naked, I don't have a problem being un-airconditioned
2006.07.24 16.04 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Wear a thong at least.
2006.07.24 16.04 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: I guess I could wear a loin-cloth...
2006.07.24 16.05 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Krista still doing the stay-at-home-mom gig?
2006.07.24 16.05 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: yup
2006.07.24 16.05 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I haven't heard a peep out of her in ages . . .
2006.07.24 16.05 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: hehe
2006.07.24 16.05 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: log into WOW
2006.07.24 16.06 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Nah.
2006.07.24 16.06 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Not worth my time or money.
2006.07.24 16.06 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: she's there.
2006.07.24 16.06 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: hehe
2006.07.24 16.06 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Right now?
2006.07.24 16.06 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: probably
2006.07.24 16.06 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I guess I could email her . . . WoWAddict@gmail.com right?
2006.07.24 16.06 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.24 16.06 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: scanning auctions or something
2006.07.24 16.06 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: lol
2006.07.24 16.06 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: yeah, something like that
2006.07.24 16.07 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Probably more like WoWAddict42345@ . . . .
2006.07.24 16.07 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: use a subject that she will open though...like "Earn Gold FAST at the Auction House!"
2006.07.24 16.07 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hehe.
2006.07.24 16.07 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I wouldn't know the first thing about that . . .
2006.07.24 16.08 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: or, "Lvl 30 to lvl 40 in 2 hours!"
2006.07.24 16.08 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Now that's got to be a cheat.
2006.07.24 16.08 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Or a hack.
2006.07.24 16.08 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: exactly...they don't exist...
2006.07.24 16.08 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Or "Sell your kids or husband for 10Million gold!"
2006.07.24 16.08 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: but she'd read the e-mail
2006.07.24 16.08 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: ooo
2006.07.24 16.08 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hehehe.
2006.07.24 16.08 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: what's the web address? ;)
2006.07.24 16.09 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: www.ebay.com
2006.07.24 16.09 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: lol
2006.07.24 16.09 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: right?
2006.07.24 16.09 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: too true
2006.07.24 16.10 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You getting any sleep in this hot, hot weather we've been having?
2006.07.24 16.10 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: a little
2006.07.24 16.10 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: we have central air, so it's not so bad
2006.07.24 16.10 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I've "discovered" that I don't sleep all the well when I'm hot.
2006.07.24 16.10 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Lucky you . . .
2006.07.24 16.11 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: it'll be bad on the bill, but it'll be worth it
2006.07.24 16.11 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You guys still aiming to buy your own place someday?
2006.07.24 16.11 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: oh yes
2006.07.24 16.12 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: my guess is 3-5 years from now
2006.07.24 16.12 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Wow. That's still a good way off.
2006.07.24 16.12 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: yeah, it is.
2006.07.24 16.13 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: but that's when it will be a lot more realistic...and a lot less difficult to budget...as long as things go as planned...things could change drastically one way or the other
2006.07.24 16.14 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Yes they can.
2006.07.24 16.15 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: debt is going the right way now though...that's a good thing
2006.07.24 16.15 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Like spontaneous gestation of twins, a sudden and deliberate tripling of your salary, a random act of cattle mutilation caught on tape . . . you know . . . all kinds of things.
2006.07.24 16.15 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm in 30 years of debt.
2006.07.24 16.15 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: lol
2006.07.24 16.16 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: I heard an ad on the radio yesterday I couldn't believe...
2006.07.24 16.16 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: a 50 year home loan
2006.07.24 16.16 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Brocoli ice cream?
2006.07.24 16.16 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I've heard of those before.
2006.07.24 16.16 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Stupid.
2006.07.24 16.16 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Either that or a gimmick.
2006.07.24 16.16 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: no kidding
2006.07.24 16.16 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: what moron would sign up for that?
2006.07.24 16.17 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You know, all the fame you'd get for being the first pregnant man would be great, but I'd bet Krista would be pissed. I mean, how do you explain that you weren't cheating on her?
2006.07.24 16.17 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: "you can save $150/mo. by extending your loan by 20 years! Isn't that great?"
2006.07.24 16.17 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: lol
2006.07.24 16.17 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You also extend the amount you pay by thousands.
2006.07.24 16.17 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: yeah
2006.07.24 16.17 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: 10's of thousands depending on the house
2006.07.24 16.18 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: "C'mon Krista, I swear! It was the aliens. Oooo! Ow! Hey, could you rub my feet?"
2006.07.24 16.18 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: hehe
2006.07.24 16.18 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: well, I need to go install a bunch of software...
2006.07.24 16.18 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I need to write scripts for stupid little YouTube Internet drama videos . . .
2006.07.24 16.18 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Have fun.
2006.07.24 16.19 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: u too
2006.07.25 07.50 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Morning
2006.07.25 07.50 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Mornign
2006.07.25 09.00 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Morning, fuji-dono
2006.07.25 09.00 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Morning.
2006.07.25 09.00 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Feeling better dowaito-kun?
2006.07.25 09.01 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Oh, I wasn't sick yesterday. It's a state holliday.
2006.07.25 09.02 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Joseph Smith day?
2006.07.25 09.04 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: No, "Pioneer Day". Which commemorates the first settlers to the Salt Lake valley (but they really mean the first mormon settlers).
2006.07.25 09.07 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You could have popped in to say hello you know.
2006.07.25 09.08 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Yeah, sorry. I'm such a lazy bum on days off.
2006.07.25 09.08 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hehe.
2006.07.25 09.09 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I have nothing to do, and the boss left on his 8 day vacation yesterday.
2006.07.25 09.09 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Fun time eh?
2006.07.25 09.09 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: \\'007!
2006.07.25 09.09 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I think I'll spend the week working on my Cocoa programming . . . on my iBook.
2006.07.25 09.09 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: woot? Hell no.
2006.07.25 09.09 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm frickin' bored and wondering why I'm at work.
2006.07.25 09.09 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'd rather be bored at home.
2006.07.25 09.10 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'd also rather be busy.
2006.07.25 09.10 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm getting paid to do nothing.
2006.07.25 09.10 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: That chafes against my work ethic.
2006.07.25 09.11 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: There's an easy way to fix that
2006.07.25 09.12 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm listening.
2006.07.25 09.15 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: sorry... got distracted.
2006.07.25 09.15 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Is that the fix?
2006.07.25 09.15 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: The solution is to
2006.07.25 09.15 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Get distracted?
2006.07.25 09.15 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I wish I could.
2006.07.25 09.15 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Don't think I haven't tried.
2006.07.25 09.16 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun:
2006.07.25 09.17 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.25 09.21 (0kelvin) nev-sama: iMac locked up.
2006.07.25 09.21 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: dang.
2006.07.25 09.21 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Meh.
2006.07.25 09.21 (0kelvin) nev-sama: That's what you get when you starve a computer of pr0n right?
2006.07.25 09.22 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Or is it the other way around?
2006.07.25 09.22 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: When pr0n starves your computer?
2006.07.25 09.22 (0kelvin) nev-sama: All I know is I've been here 23 minutes and I'm already bored out of my mind.
2006.07.25 09.23 (0kelvin) nev-sama: What did you think of that comic?
2006.07.25 09.23 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: It was okay
2006.07.25 09.23 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Bayonets with paintball.
2006.07.25 09.23 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: They spelled n00b wrong.
2006.07.25 09.23 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Bah. You are a funny one.
2006.07.25 09.25 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: thanks ;)
2006.07.25 09.26 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: again?
2006.07.25 09.27 (0kelvin) nev-sama: What again?
2006.07.25 09.30 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.25 09.30 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Maybe I'll work on that this week.
2006.07.25 09.31 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: hehehehehe
2006.07.25 09.31 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I fear, though, that it will take more creativity than I have at the moment.
2006.07.25 09.31 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I find it hard to be creative when I'm agitated.
2006.07.25 09.31 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I've also thought about just playing some Inform games.
2006.07.25 09.31 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: There you go.
2006.07.25 09.31 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Either that or work on my cocoa programming.
2006.07.25 09.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Or just watch hours and hours of anime until something rots.
2006.07.25 09.32 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: What could rot?
2006.07.25 09.32 (0kelvin) nev-sama: What's left of my brain.
2006.07.25 09.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hey! Who said that?
2006.07.25 09.32 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: ehehehehehe
2006.07.25 09.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: There was a MUSH I could work on, but then there was nothing in the MUSH I was going to do . . .
2006.07.25 09.33 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.25 09.33 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You see that one dowaito-kun?
2006.07.25 09.33 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I did
2006.07.25 09.37 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Did you see or did you "SEE"? see?
2006.07.25 09.38 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: si
2006.07.25 09.38 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: HAHAHAAH
2006.07.25 09.38 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Nice!
2006.07.25 10.02 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Who here wants me to try making ice cream flavoured with Guinness?
2006.07.25 10.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: We made some irish cream ice cream on Sunday. Really good.
2006.07.25 10.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Now I want to try Root Beer Schnapps, Butterscotch Sshnapps, and some Coconut Rum ice creams.
2006.07.25 10.19 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I wonder if Guinness would make a good ice cream. I suspect not.
2006.07.25 10.19 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Never know until you try though, right?
2006.07.25 10.20 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: true
2006.07.25 10.22 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I think it would be cool to have a full POD press available at your whim.
2006.07.25 10.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: s/your/my/
2006.07.25 10.24 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I could collect a bunch of short stories and essays, crap up some layout, then print a single copy for me to peruse at my leisure.
2006.07.25 10.29 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: lulu.com
2006.07.25 10.29 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Not quie.
2006.07.25 10.29 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'd have to wait for shipping.
2006.07.25 10.29 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: true.
2006.07.25 10.29 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: And I'd still have to pay them.
2006.07.25 10.29 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: But if you printed enough material, you'd soon have more stuff coming than you could read.
2006.07.25 10.29 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I was thinking more along the lines of working for Lulu.com and getting free employee/personal printing.
2006.07.25 10.29 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: And I'd have less money than if I just read the crap online.
2006.07.25 10.30 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Money is always a problem. lulu's not terribly expensive, but its enough expensive to make me not use it for short stories and ezines.
2006.07.25 10.30 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: What about picking up a cheap dot matrix printer?
2006.07.25 10.30 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: They are reasonably fast, and a lot cheaper for ink than inkjet or laser.
2006.07.25 10.30 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I have a printer, I just want something all bound and book-ish.
2006.07.25 10.31 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I have a laser printer I've never used, because toner is too d@mn expensive.
2006.07.25 10.31 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Ah.
2006.07.25 10.31 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: That would be nice. A single volume with the months (week's?) reading list.
2006.07.25 10.31 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Actually, for my crappy novel I'm probably going to do a quick double-spaced, one sided print. Then I'll have lots of room to mark it up and make notes.
2006.07.25 10.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Or just a collection of things I've found and want to make sure I read, all relating to some subject or other (or search).
2006.07.25 10.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'd be fine to get it all on my PDA, but I find it hard and tedious to do that.
2006.07.25 10.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: But then if I went the printing route I want I'd eventually have to get inDesign or somesuch . . .
2006.07.25 10.32 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: 300 pages, b&w, perfect bound runs 10.54
2006.07.25 10.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Ouch.
2006.07.25 10.33 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I think I'll just use a 3 ring binder.
2006.07.25 10.33 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Print it so the text is on the left and the back of the next page is on the right, so I have a page on the right to write my notes on.
2006.07.25 10.33 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Yeah, that's a good idea.
2006.07.25 10.34 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I looked at it last night . . . I still can't believe how much I wrote.
2006.07.25 10.34 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I've got notes even describing all kinds of things I can't remember anymore.
2006.07.25 10.34 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm a waste of a writer.
2006.07.25 10.34 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun:
2006.07.25 10.34 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: A hack.
2006.07.25 10.34 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: A total loser.
2006.07.25 10.34 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: So, that means you can write a hit
2006.07.25 10.34 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Sell millions of copies.
2006.07.25 10.34 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Ouch.
2006.07.25 10.35 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I don't think I want to be popular. That would mean I wrote bad art.
2006.07.25 10.35 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It would also mean I'd _have_ to write to pay the bills.
2006.07.25 10.35 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Furthering the bad artness of my writing.
2006.07.25 10.35 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'd be as tortured as I am now, but for different reasons.
2006.07.25 10.38 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: This Lovecraft essay (which I linked to in that blog post) is actually quite good.
2006.07.25 10.38 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Very informative of the history of the "weird" tale.
2006.07.25 11.01 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Time for lunch.
2006.07.25 12.01 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: tadaima
2006.07.25 12.01 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Welcome back.
2006.07.25 12.05 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: This diet is really bothering me. I feel like I should be eating less. It's actualy more work to get to the minimum calories/carbs/fats/etc, then it is to just not eat as much.
2006.07.25 12.05 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Strange.
2006.07.25 12.05 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Granted, I'm eating better things, but it doesn't really feel like what a diet should feel like.
2006.07.25 12.05 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So you are eating more in order to lose weight?
2006.07.25 12.05 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: And the 8 freaking cups of water a day is driving me bananas.
2006.07.25 12.05 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I prefer dieting through gluttony.
2006.07.25 12.05 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Oh heck I've been doing that for years.
2006.07.25 12.06 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I can do 2 litres without effort now.
2006.07.25 12.06 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: No, but if you don't eat enough, your body will go into "starvation mode". Its actually possible to eat so little you temporarily gain weight.
2006.07.25 12.06 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Granted I make frequent trips to the WC . . .
2006.07.25 12.06 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Yes, I know.
2006.07.25 12.06 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Sadly I'm on the other end.
2006.07.25 12.06 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I just hate the taste of most water... especially tap water.
2006.07.25 12.06 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Everything I eat gets stored away instead of consumed.
2006.07.25 12.06 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: We have bottled watter at work.
2006.07.25 12.07 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Me too. But the three day weekend was really hard. Yesterday, I only drank water and still didn't get all 8 cups until midnight.
2006.07.25 12.07 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I tend to forget to drink water on the weekends.
2006.07.25 12.08 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Actually I forget to drink water when I'm not bored . . .
2006.07.25 12.12 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: heh
2006.07.25 12.14 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Isn't it your lunch time?
2006.07.25 12.15 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It is.
2006.07.25 12.15 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I have two more paragraphs I want to finish before I break for lunch.
2006.07.25 12.15 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Ah.
2006.07.25 12.25 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: http
2006.07.25 12.25 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Did you know that e-ink doesn't require
2006.07.25 12.25 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: electricity
2006.07.25 12.25 (0kelvin) nev-sama: I did.
2006.07.25 12.26 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Well . . . I thought it used batteries to change the polarity of the "ink", but it doesn't take any to maintain the "image" on screen.
2006.07.25 12.26 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Man that Sony ereader is slick.
2006.07.25 12.26 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Wish it wasn't so expensive.
2006.07.25 12.26 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: What about DRM though?
2006.07.25 12.27 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I had heard their Japanese relese didn't allow you to make your own docs and put them over.
2006.07.25 12.27 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: No idea yet. They haven't even released the device in Japan. And the connect software ( which allows you to transfer content ) hasn't been demoed.
2006.07.25 12.28 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hm. eInk was already released in Japan the last I heard of it.
2006.07.25 12.28 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: September or October we should no more.
2006.07.25 12.28 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Maybe it was a different product with the same technology.
2006.07.25 12.28 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Yes, but no the sony ereader.
2006.07.25 12.28 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I remember they hyped the ability to read manga.
2006.07.25 12.29 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: The d00d in the video just called it "manja".
2006.07.25 12.30 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: According to the product page, unsecured text is a supported format.
2006.07.25 12.30 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Later he calls it manga. What a n00b
2006.07.25 12.31 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: For some reason I don't trust Sony to not screw it up . . .
2006.07.25 12.32 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: time will tell.
2006.07.25 12.32 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: No other ereader so far has failed to screw it up.
2006.07.25 12.33 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Still, even if they do it right. I can't see $350 for an ereader.
2006.07.25 12.33 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Except Sony's Libre.
2006.07.25 12.34 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Yeah. That's the cost of a multi-function PDA.
2006.07.25 12.34 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'll keep my Zodiac thanks.
2006.07.25 12.34 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: And I wonder if they'll have OSX support out of the box?
2006.07.25 12.34 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Anyway. Off to lunch I go.
2006.07.25 12.35 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: re. OSX. No way. Apple's market share in Japan is so much smaller than in the US.
2006.07.25 12.36 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: The iliad is out now. I don't know what it's cost is, but it takes 2 seconds to "turn a page", longer with some formats.
2006.07.25 12.36 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: That would drive me so insane, I'd throw it away.
2006.07.25 12.39 (0kelvin) nev-sama: I've never heard of it.
2006.07.25 12.39 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Sorry.
2006.07.25 12.40 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: https
2006.07.25 12.41 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Holy Carp! It's 650 euros!! And it doesn't play mp3s.
2006.07.25 12.41 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I can here that company folding already.
2006.07.25 12.42 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: s/here/hear/
2006.07.25 12.42 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: sheesh
2006.07.25 13.12 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Ah poo. I was hoping Barnes & Noble would tell me what magazines they carry in their stores. They don't even mention magazines on their site.
2006.07.25 13.12 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I guess since I've got so much to do today (and this week) it would be out of the question to drive the 1 mile to go browse through one of their storefronts.
2006.07.25 13.12 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.25 13.12 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: HAHAHAHAH
2006.07.25 13.51 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I think I am back.
2006.07.25 13.54 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.25 13.54 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I was thinking of writing something similar.
2006.07.25 13.54 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hmm..
2006.07.25 14.21 (0kelvin) nev-sama: mms
2006.07.25 14.42 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: mobipocket sure is nice.
2006.07.25 14.42 (0kelvin) nev-sama: It is, but no Mac support sucks.
2006.07.25 14.42 (0kelvin) nev-sama: D*mn Frenchies!
2006.07.25 14.42 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: hehehehehe
2006.07.25 14.58 (0kelvin) nev-sama: http
2006.07.25 15.16 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: http
2006.07.25 15.18 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I downloaded the free pilot for the Blade series on Spike TV, but I still haven't watched more than 4 minutes into it. The video quality is really quite bad.
2006.07.25 15.19 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Ooo. B5 on iTunes . . . hmm..
2006.07.25 15.20 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hm. Do you really save much than buying it on DVD I wonder . . .
2006.07.25 15.20 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hm. Not much.
2006.07.25 15.20 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'd rather have DVD.
2006.07.25 15.20 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I can't watch iTunes on my TV.
2006.07.25 15.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.25 15.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Spendy.
2006.07.25 15.21 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: How many episodes in season 1
2006.07.25 15.22 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: What? You wouldn't pay $300 for the complete Babylon 5?
2006.07.25 15.22 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: 990 minutes
2006.07.25 15.22 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I didn't say that. I said it was spendy.
2006.07.25 15.22 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: 22 episodes.
2006.07.25 15.22 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Okay.
2006.07.25 15.22 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: $44 via itunes. 44.99 + s/h @ amazon
2006.07.25 15.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Not enough savings for me.
2006.07.25 15.23 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: However, if there was one killer ep you just had to have.
2006.07.25 15.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Oh sure.
2006.07.25 15.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: But there isn't.
2006.07.25 15.23 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: re. savings
2006.07.25 15.55 (0kelvin) nev-sama: The pain in Spain is mainly in the planes. (Snakes maybe?)
2006.07.25 16.30 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I'm heading home now.
2006.07.25 16.30 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Have a good eve.
2006.07.26 08.33 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Morning.
2006.07.26 08.37 (0kelvin) nev-sama: http
2006.07.26 08.38 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Morning, nev-sama
2006.07.26 08.38 (0kelvin) nev-sama: So the /topic is just a music video right?
2006.07.26 08.39 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: heheheheheheh
2006.07.26 08.39 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Yeah, but its pretty cool. Or not. I liked it.
2006.07.26 08.39 (0kelvin) nev-sama: I quit after 1 minute. Sorry. Not cool to me.
2006.07.26 08.39 (0kelvin) nev-sama: The music was jarring for me.
2006.07.26 08.39 (0kelvin) nev-sama: And the video itself went nuts when the animals started chasing down the cat person.
2006.07.26 08.40 (0kelvin) nev-sama: This song I'm listening to now (that I bought form iTMS it's so good) is soothing, relaxing, and reminds me of good times at Ecola.
2006.07.26 08.40 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Suffice it to say I'm in a good mood right now.
2006.07.26 08.40 (0kelvin) nev-sama: I still have nothing to do, but at least I'm home doing it.
2006.07.26 08.43 (0kelvin) nev-sama: http
2006.07.26 08.43 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: You are working from home today?
2006.07.26 08.43 (0kelvin) nev-sama: I am.
2006.07.26 08.43 (0kelvin) nev-sama: I need to take the car into the shop (oil change) in about an hour.
2006.07.26 08.43 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Sweet! Good for you!
2006.07.26 08.43 (0kelvin) nev-sama: They are so busy I have to leave it there for an indefinite period of time.
2006.07.26 08.43 (0kelvin) *self*: Hello/
2006.07.26 08.44 (0kelvin) nev-sama: yeah, but I remembered I have to fix my VPN software on my iBook . . . so I might actually work.
2006.07.26 08.44 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Morning jedediah.
2006.07.26 08.44 (0kelvin) *self*: FWIW, I'll be mostly afk today, but I'll be around.
2006.07.26 08.44 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Heheh.
2006.07.26 08.44 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Like usual then?
2006.07.26 08.44 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: hehehe
2006.07.26 08.45 (0kelvin) nev-sama: http
2006.07.26 08.45 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Anyone want to get into the game publishing buisness?
2006.07.26 08.46 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Not I.
2006.07.26 08.46 (0kelvin) *self*: Nor I.
2006.07.26 08.46 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: It wasn't struggling because it was a great company
2006.07.26 08.46 (0kelvin) *self*: I've officially dumped safari.
2006.07.26 08.47 (0kelvin) *self*: Just in case anyone cares.
2006.07.26 08.47 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: newb. learn 2 browse the web
2006.07.26 08.47 (0kelvin) *self*: wha?
2006.07.26 08.47 (0kelvin) *self*: I don't follow.
2006.07.26 08.47 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Officially huh?
2006.07.26 08.47 (0kelvin) nev-sama: In favour of what? IE?
2006.07.26 08.48 (0kelvin) *self*: Camino.
2006.07.26 08.48 (0kelvin) *self*: Safari was crashing too often, and it doesn't save state, so it was kinda hard to remember what windows I'd had open.
2006.07.26 08.48 (0kelvin) nev-sama: And Camino saves state?
2006.07.26 08.48 (0kelvin) *self*: No, but it hasn't crashed on me.
2006.07.26 08.48 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: What is there to like about that slow dinosaur? Sure, its faster than firefox, but it still has artheritus of the interface, and is slow, and ram intensive.
2006.07.26 08.49 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Must be an Intel thing . . . my Safari never crashes.
2006.07.26 08.49 (0kelvin) *self*: I'll take "doesn't crash" over "unnoticably slower"
2006.07.26 08.49 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I'm on intel, and my safari doesn't crash.
2006.07.26 08.49 (0kelvin) *self*: Lucky
2006.07.26 08.49 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Maybe its all those pr0n sites.
2006.07.26 08.49 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Must be a jedediah thing then.
2006.07.26 08.49 (0kelvin) *self*: I'm not sure why mine does, but it does quite regularly.
2006.07.26 08.49 (0kelvin) nev-sama: jedediah, do you have any InputManagers installed on your system?
2006.07.26 08.52 (0kelvin) *self*: nev-sama
2006.07.26 08.52 (0kelvin) *self*: I'm not really sure what that means.
2006.07.26 08.52 (0kelvin) nev-sama:
2006.07.26 08.52 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Look in /Library/InputMangers or ~/Library/InputMangers
2006.07.26 08.53 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Stuff in there can make other programs unstable.
2006.07.26 08.53 (0kelvin) *self*: I have safaristand and growlsafari
2006.07.26 08.53 (0kelvin) *self*: That's probably what's doing it.
2006.07.26 08.53 (0kelvin) nev-sama: It is possible that one or both of them is causing Safari to crash.
2006.07.26 08.54 (0kelvin) nev-sama: SafariStand works for me, but then I'm not on Intel.
2006.07.26 08.54 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I'm running both here, but neither get heavy use.
2006.07.26 08.54 (0kelvin) nev-sama: I'm doing my best here man.
2006.07.26 08.54 (0kelvin) *self*: Thanks
2006.07.26 08.54 (0kelvin) nev-sama: My desk is a mess . . .
2006.07.26 08.54 (0kelvin) nev-sama: My whole study is a mess.
2006.07.26 08.54 (0kelvin) nev-sama: I'm surrounded by cats.
2006.07.26 08.55 (0kelvin) nev-sama: I think they are plotting something.
2006.07.26 08.55 (0kelvin) *self*: So I'm guessing both of you like safari better than mozilla anything?
2006.07.26 08.55 (0kelvin) nev-sama: I do.
2006.07.26 08.55 (0kelvin) *self*: You at home today?
2006.07.26 08.55 (0kelvin) nev-sama: I am.
2006.07.26 08.55 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: In any case, jedediah can use some of those half way cool firefox extensions now. Right?
2006.07.26 08.55 (0kelvin) *self*: lucky.
2006.07.26 08.55 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Camino has no extension support.
2006.07.26 08.55 (0kelvin) *self*: And I can use the cool ones as well.
2006.07.26 08.55 (0kelvin) nev-sama: jedediah
2006.07.26 08.55 (0kelvin) *self*: be back in a bit.
2006.07.26 08.55 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Riiiiight.
2006.07.26 09.08 (0kelvin) nev-sama: I may go bye-bye. I'm going to try my VPN software now .. .
2006.07.26 09.29 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Well that didn't work.
2006.07.26 09.30 (0kelvin) nev-sama: dowaito-kun, do you know anything about /Library/Receipts ?
2006.07.26 09.30 (0kelvin) nev-sama: I've got 400MB of old .pkg files in there, and if I could I'd rather have the HD space.
2006.07.26 09.39 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Okay. I'm going to drop the car off at the shop then be back.
2006.07.26 09.56 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: "The repeipts folder has a few purposes two of which are
2006.07.26 09.56 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: * to keep track of what packages (and options selected) have been installed - needed for software update and others;
2006.07.26 09.56 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: * as a record of the original permession settings so that if the permissions get stuffed-up Disk Utility can reset them back to the original settings. "
2006.07.26 09.56 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I think it would be Bad(tm) to delete the contents of that folder.
2006.07.26 10.51 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: hallu!
2006.07.26 10.54 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Hiya, PhotoNut
2006.07.26 10.55 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: wassup?
2006.07.26 10.55 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: the ususal
2006.07.26 10.56 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@74: killing small rodents and throwing their burning carcasses over the neigbor's fence?
2006.07.26 11.09 (0kelvin) nev-sama: And I'm back . . .
2006.07.26 11.10 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: okaeri
2006.07.26 11.10 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Had to wait for the courtesy shuttle . . .
2006.07.26 11.10 (0kelvin) nev-sama: That was "fun".,
2006.07.26 11.35 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: heheeh O gpt Command-w happy there for aminute.
2006.07.26 11.35 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: boogle boggle thorp!
2006.07.26 11.35 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: s/O gpt/I got/
2006.07.26 11.35 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: s/amin/a min/
2006.07.26 11.35 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Heheh.
2006.07.26 11.36 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Well I'm going to leave on lunch soon.
2006.07.26 11.36 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Going to have lunch with the wifiey.
2006.07.26 11.36 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Maybe at Boone's.
2006.07.26 11.36 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Beer for lunch!!!!!
2006.07.26 11.37 (0kelvin) nev-sama: LOL
2006.07.26 11.37 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Nice!
2006.07.26 11.37 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Huzzah!
2006.07.26 11.37 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Enjoy
2006.07.26 11.37 (0kelvin) nev-sama: *hic*
2006.07.26 11.37 (0kelvin) nev-sama: And then again maybe not.
2006.07.26 11.37 (0kelvin) nev-sama: We might go to a cafe.
2006.07.26 11.37 (0kelvin) nev-sama: We'll see.
2006.07.26 11.37 (0kelvin) nev-sama: It's rather short notice. I didn't think I could arrange it today.
2006.07.26 11.38 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Okay. Trying another VPN connection . . .
2006.07.26 11.39 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Hey! It's working.
2006.07.26 11.39 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Crap. Now I *can* work from home.
2006.07.26 11.40 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: HAHAHAHAHA
2006.07.26 11.40 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Good thing there is no actual work to do.
2006.07.26 11.40 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun:
2006.07.26 13.50 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Mmmm that was good food.
2006.07.26 13.50 (0kelvin) nev-sama: And good beer.
2006.07.26 13.50 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: lucky dog
2006.07.26 13.51 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Woof.
2006.07.26 13.53 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Did I mention I had lunch with my wife?
2006.07.26 13.53 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: yes... and beer.
2006.07.26 13.53 (0kelvin) nev-sama: A whole pint of Terminator Stout.
2006.07.26 13.53 (0kelvin) nev-sama: A buger.
2006.07.26 13.53 (0kelvin) nev-sama: And some beef stroganoff soup.
2006.07.26 13.54 (0kelvin) nev-sama: I'm having a good day for a change.
2006.07.26 13.56 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun:
2006.07.26 13.57 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Another good song I just bought.
2006.07.26 14.07 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: http
2006.07.26 14.08 (0kelvin) nev-sama: You got one I should start with?
2006.07.26 14.08 (0kelvin) nev-sama: I don't even quite know what i"m about to get into?
2006.07.26 14.08 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: issuesmed.mov
2006.07.26 14.08 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Issues is the link
2006.07.26 14.09 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: comedy music duo
2006.07.26 14.09 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Ah.
2006.07.26 14.09 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: They have a "folk hiphop" song as well.
2006.07.26 14.57 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Hrm. Not all that funny to my funny bone.
2006.07.26 14.59 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Boo!
2006.07.26 14.59 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Sorry
2006.07.26 14.59 (0kelvin) nev-sama:
2006.07.26 15.15 (0kelvin) *self*: Hello again.
2006.07.26 15.16 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Hello.
2006.07.26 15.23 (0kelvin) nev-sama: How's life?
2006.07.26 15.23 (0kelvin) *self*: Boring.
2006.07.26 15.24 (0kelvin) *self*: How about you?
2006.07.26 15.24 (0kelvin) nev-sama: You too eh?
2006.07.26 15.24 (0kelvin) *self*: Understood
2006.07.26 15.24 (0kelvin) *self*: Did you build your own VPN this morning?
2006.07.26 15.24 (0kelvin) nev-sama: No.
2006.07.26 15.24 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Just had to grab a different version of Tunnelblix
2006.07.26 15.24 (0kelvin) *self*: Ahh
2006.07.26 15.25 (0kelvin) *self*: The built-in one doesn't work?
2006.07.26 15.25 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Not with an OpenVPN server.
2006.07.26 15.25 (0kelvin) *self*: Hmm
2006.07.26 15.25 (0kelvin) nev-sama: I spent days looking for a server that would work with the Apple built-in client.
2006.07.26 15.25 (0kelvin) *self*: And nothing?
2006.07.26 15.25 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Couldn't find one for FreeBSD.
2006.07.26 15.25 (0kelvin) *self*: Too bad.
2006.07.26 15.26 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Why's that?
2006.07.26 15.26 (0kelvin) *self*: What protocols does the built-in one work with?
2006.07.26 15.26 (0kelvin) *self*: It's too bad because it would be. . . eh, I don't know actually. Just easier.
2006.07.26 15.27 (0kelvin) nev-sama: IPSec and LT2P.
2006.07.26 15.27 (0kelvin) *self*: Ahh
2006.07.26 15.27 (0kelvin) nev-sama: I think.
2006.07.26 15.27 (0kelvin) nev-sama: I don't really remember all that well.
2006.07.26 15.27 (0kelvin) *self*: gotcha
2006.07.26 15.28 (0kelvin) nev-sama: OpenVPN works great though, so I'm not worried.
2006.07.26 15.28 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Not in the least.
2006.07.26 15.31 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Well I managed to clean up my desk and my study.
2006.07.26 15.31 (0kelvin) nev-sama: I still have nothing to do . . .
2006.07.26 15.34 (0kelvin) *self*: Stupid key remapper isn't worth . . .
2006.07.26 15.34 (0kelvin) *self*: When they say "sticky" they mean it
2006.07.26 15.34 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Eh?
2006.07.26 15.34 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Wha?
2006.07.26 15.35 (0kelvin) *self*: I remapped caps to ctrl, and after I pressed the button ctrl was indefinately "seen"
2006.07.26 15.35 (0kelvin) *self*: At any rate, i must be on my way.
2006.07.26 15.35 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Weirdo.
2006.07.26 15.35 (0kelvin) *self*: Wha?
2006.07.26 15.35 (0kelvin) *self*: bah
2006.07.26 15.35 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Remapping Caps to CTL . . .
2006.07.26 15.35 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Weird.
2006.07.26 15.37 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Puts Ctl where it should be. According to fits law ctl should be almost as big as shift and where caps is at. Caps should be as small as home and in that same block of keys.
2006.07.26 15.37 (0kelvin) nev-sama: I hardly ever use CTL though (or CAPS).
2006.07.26 15.38 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: If you spend any time in a shell, you use ctl a lot.
2006.07.26 15.38 (0kelvin) nev-sama: I used to, and CTL's location was never a problem back then . . .
2006.07.26 15.38 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: And, I'm sure you use ctl more than caps.
2006.07.26 15.38 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Even now on my iBook it's not a problem.
2006.07.26 15.38 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Probably, but I wouldn't want to change the location of CTL.
2006.07.26 15.39 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Well, I agree. I've adapted. I'm just saying I understand why jd is remapping.
2006.07.26 15.39 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Maybe the size I could see, but location, no.
2006.07.26 15.39 (0kelvin) nev-sama: I still say I don't.
2006.07.26 15.39 (0kelvin) nev-sama: His brain must be more malleable than mine.
2006.07.26 15.39 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: the problem with the location is its rss bate.
2006.07.26 15.39 (0kelvin) nev-sama: What?
2006.07.26 15.40 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Its an unnatural hand position to get the pinky finger onto that key.
2006.07.26 15.40 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Don't use your pinky.
2006.07.26 15.40 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: rss (repetitive stress syndrome)
2006.07.26 15.40 (0kelvin) nev-sama: I don't.
2006.07.26 15.40 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: What the heck do you use? Your nose?
2006.07.26 15.40 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Do you know how contorted you'd have to be to hit CTL-C with one hand?
2006.07.26 15.40 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Yes. Very much so.
2006.07.26 15.40 (0kelvin) nev-sama: I move my hands off home row and do whatever feels comfortable.
2006.07.26 15.41 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Even with two hands its awkward. Tho I'm getting better at it.
2006.07.26 15.41 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Most modern keyboards only have one CTL button, so you can't treat it like a shift key.
2006.07.26 15.41 (0kelvin) nev-sama: So don't.
2006.07.26 15.41 (0kelvin) nev-sama: I think I'm ring and index finger for CTL-C.
2006.07.26 15.41 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Hm. Maybe pinky.
2006.07.26 15.41 (0kelvin) nev-sama: But I sure as heck move my hand down two rows.
2006.07.26 15.42 (0kelvin) nev-sama: (get full extension of the fingers that way).
2006.07.26 15.42 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: If it was at caps, it would be a lot more natural.
2006.07.26 15.42 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Ugh.
2006.07.26 15.42 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Only if it were mirrored, and then you'd lose Return.
2006.07.26 15.42 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: And you haven't trained your hands for caps anyway.
2006.07.26 15.42 (0kelvin) nev-sama: I use it on occation.
2006.07.26 15.43 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: At least for me, I wouldn't need it mirrored. I can comfortably reach all left hand keys while keeping my pinky on caps. But I have fairly large hands as well.
2006.07.26 15.43 (0kelvin) nev-sama: That's just awkward and not fast enough.
2006.07.26 15.43 (0kelvin) nev-sama: It'd be like having only one SHIFT key.
2006.07.26 15.44 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I disagree. At least for me, its not at all awkward (compared to dropping a row, or hitting ctl from home), and its definately faster than dropping a row.
2006.07.26 15.44 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Wow. You need training.
2006.07.26 15.44 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: And on most keyboards you have only one ctl key anyway.
2006.07.26 15.45 (0kelvin) nev-sama: I don't know of any typing sequence that requires you to hit two keys with the same hand at the same time.
2006.07.26 15.45 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: No, I need to do it right (the way I describe), so I have less pain after a day of typing.
2006.07.26 15.45 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: ctl-c
2006.07.26 15.45 (0kelvin) nev-sama: you need to stop hitting CTL so often.
2006.07.26 15.45 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: HAHAHAH
2006.07.26 15.45 (0kelvin) nev-sama: In 10 years I've never known it to be a problem.
2006.07.26 15.45 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: No, because then I'd have to slow down by switching back to vim.
2006.07.26 15.46 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Emacs loser.
2006.07.26 15.46 (0kelvin) nev-sama: No wonder . . .
2006.07.26 15.46 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Sheesh.
2006.07.26 15.46 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Or *gasp* keyboard and mouse apps
2006.07.26 15.46 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: vim dork
2006.07.26 15.46 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Well that ends that discussion.
2006.07.26 15.46 (0kelvin) nev-sama: I don't use VIM.
2006.07.26 15.46 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: EEEWWW. You use a keyboard and mouse app?
2006.07.26 15.47 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Yep. TextMate mostly, or SEE if I have to.
2006.07.26 15.47 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I absolutely hate having to take my hand off the keyboard.
2006.07.26 15.47 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Only because you take too much time finding your place on the way back.
2006.07.26 15.47 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I'm not a very fast typer. I can't afford switch time.
2006.07.26 15.47 (0kelvin) nev-sama: See, training.
2006.07.26 15.48 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: it will always be slower. no matter what.
2006.07.26 15.48 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Slower than?
2006.07.26 15.48 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: keeping my hands on the keyboard.
2006.07.26 15.48 (0kelvin) nev-sama: And just how do you navigate your GUI like that?
2006.07.26 15.48 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: emacs, at least, allows me to do absolutely everything from the keyboard.
2006.07.26 15.49 (0kelvin) nev-sama: So did VIM.
2006.07.26 15.49 (0kelvin) nev-sama: And the arrow keys are still on the keyboard.
2006.07.26 15.49 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Now for casual apps, I have to keyb and mouse. I don't have any other option.
2006.07.26 15.49 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Terminal mode linux . . .
2006.07.26 15.49 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: But when I'm coding or writing, and I'm spending along time in that one app. I don't want to mess with a mouse.
2006.07.26 15.50 (0kelvin) nev-sama: It's all about preference right?
2006.07.26 15.50 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Sure. But my preference is Right(tm).
2006.07.26 15.55 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: http
2006.07.26 15.58 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: http
2006.07.26 15.58 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: More fun than a barrel of mexican wrestlers.
2006.07.26 15.59 (0kelvin) nev-sama: I'm not sure I get it.
2006.07.26 15.59 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Think professional wrestiling, but with cheap japanese style monsters instead.
2006.07.26 16.01 (0kelvin) nev-sama: I hope that stays on the East Coast.
2006.07.26 16.01 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Yikes.
2006.07.26 16.01 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: They put buildings in and around the "ring", so it's like they are fighting in the middle of a city.
2006.07.26 16.01 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: And you say I'm in danger of becomeing a curmudgeon.
2006.07.26 16.01 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun:
2006.07.26 16.02 (0kelvin) nev-sama: I do?
2006.07.26 16.20 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Time to go home.
2006.07.26 16.20 (0kelvin) nev-sama: Be well.
2006.07.27 09.02 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Morning.
2006.07.27 10.00 (0kelvin) daglo: Morning, monkeys
2006.07.27 10.00 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Morning.
2006.07.27 10.00 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Wuzzup?
2006.07.27 10.00 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: And why the name-change?
2006.07.27 10.00 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Working from home today
2006.07.27 10.00 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Sick?
2006.07.27 10.01 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Nah. Got a late start, and didn't feel like going int.
2006.07.27 10.01 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: *in.
2006.07.27 10.01 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: s/int/double/
2006.07.27 10.01 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: s/int/float/
2006.07.27 10.01 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.27 10.02 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: hahah
2006.07.27 10.02 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You raskly little coder you. ;)
2006.07.27 10.04 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Just got some news from Reno. His fiancé's 93-year-old grandmother had a heart attack last night and is dying. It's the last of the grandparents for them.
2006.07.27 10.05 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: oh, that's sad.
2006.07.27 10.05 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Yeah.
2006.07.27 10.13 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I think I'll refer to my age as 30--; that seems more geeky.
2006.07.27 10.14 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: 29 going on 33.
2006.07.27 10.27 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: What a gruesome thing it would be to brand your wives and children like ranchers brand their cattle . . . .
2006.07.27 10.33 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: Hallu!
2006.07.27 10.37 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hello.
2006.07.27 10.37 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I figure that in a couple of weeks I'll announce my age as "30--;"
2006.07.27 10.38 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I could do 5^2 + 2^2 . . .
2006.07.27 10.44 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: you're 30?
2006.07.27 10.44 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Not yet, no.
2006.07.27 10.45 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: How's your math though?
2006.07.27 10.45 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: 29.8?
2006.07.27 10.45 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Nope.
2006.07.27 10.45 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: I am terrible with simple math...long division especially
2006.07.27 10.45 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: How are you with "x = 30; x--; printf("Seth will be %d\n", x);" ?
2006.07.27 10.46 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: Seth will be 30
2006.07.27 10.47 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: d00d. You're compiler is suspect.
2006.07.27 10.47 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: lol
2006.07.27 10.47 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: Seth will be 29?
2006.07.27 10.47 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: ah
2006.07.27 10.47 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: 30--
2006.07.27 10.47 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Or 5^2 + 2^2.
2006.07.27 10.48 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: gotcha
2006.07.27 11.17 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.27 11.17 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Is daglo properly back yet?
2006.07.27 11.17 (0kelvin) daglo: Was I gone?
2006.07.27 11.17 (0kelvin) daglo: Sheesh.
2006.07.27 11.18 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Yes.
2006.07.27 11.30 (0kelvin) *self*: Hallo.
2006.07.27 11.31 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hello.
2006.07.27 11.31 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: How is that thing you so quaintly call "life"?
2006.07.27 11.31 (0kelvin) *self*: I don't call it life. But it's going
2006.07.27 11.32 (0kelvin) *self*: Yours?
2006.07.27 11.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I don't call it "going" but it's "life".
2006.07.27 11.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm editing a document on WikiSource.
2006.07.27 11.32 (0kelvin) *self*: fun fun.
2006.07.27 11.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Adding in pertinent links and such.
2006.07.27 11.32 (0kelvin) *self*: At home today?
2006.07.27 11.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Nope.
2006.07.27 11.32 (0kelvin) *self*: Cool.
2006.07.27 11.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Back in purgatory.
2006.07.27 11.32 (0kelvin) *self*: hehe
2006.07.27 11.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Yes it is. We've got a huge AC unit in herre.
2006.07.27 11.33 (0kelvin) *self*: fun fn.
2006.07.27 11.33 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I suppose.
2006.07.27 11.46 (0kelvin) *self*: Be back in ahilw
2006.07.27 11.46 (0kelvin) *self*: a/ahilw/awhile/
2006.07.27 11.46 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: hehe. Oaky.
2006.07.27 11.46 (0kelvin) *self*: that was ugly.
2006.07.27 11.46 (0kelvin) *self*: At any rate. . ..
2006.07.27 11.46 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.27 12.10 (0kelvin) daglo: stupid thing
2006.07.27 12.10 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hehehe.
2006.07.27 12.11 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I bet it's your Internet connection.
2006.07.27 12.14 (0kelvin) daglo: Nothing else does it.
2006.07.27 12.14 (0kelvin) daglo: I think its colloquy. I think there's some 'idle' setting that I need to change
2006.07.27 12.18 (0kelvin) *self*: Good 'ole colloquy ;)
2006.07.27 12.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I've never seen an idle setting, and you're only affected when at home.
2006.07.28 06.27 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: who
2006.07.28 08.22 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: halluzies
2006.07.28 08.24 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: morning
2006.07.28 08.25 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: how's it going?
2006.07.28 08.45 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Not bad, you?
2006.07.28 09.09 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Morning.
2006.07.28 09.10 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Morning, fuji-dono
2006.07.28 09.10 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Sorry I never came back on line yesterday.
2006.07.28 09.11 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I just got too frustrated with the stupid thing. ;)
2006.07.28 09.11 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I still say it's your connection.
2006.07.28 09.11 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: brb
2006.07.28 09.11 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Had that html issue again . . '
2006.07.28 09.12 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun:
2006.07.28 09.12 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I only blame your connection because no one else I know has the same problem, and I've left mine to idle for hours and had no connection dropping issues.
2006.07.28 09.12 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: If it was my connection I wouldn't be able to play WoW.
2006.07.28 09.12 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Not necissarily.
2006.07.28 09.12 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It could be a TTL kind of thing.
2006.07.28 09.12 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: A "no action in the last 10 minutes so I'll kill the port/connection".
2006.07.28 09.12 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I do need to update the software, I have the same install on Zatoichi that I downloaded two years ago.
2006.07.28 09.13 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: My firewall/router does that to my SSH sessions (I haven't fixed it yet).
2006.07.28 09.13 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Hmm. I guess that could be, and would almost make sense with those draconian comcast people.
2006.07.28 09.14 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I don't know that SILC sends out an occasional ping either . . .
2006.07.28 09.14 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: But it doesn't happen while you are at work does it?
2006.07.28 09.14 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Or do you ever try . . .
2006.07.28 09.14 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hmm.
2006.07.28 09.22 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I've never run silc from Zatoichi at work
2006.07.28 09.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Well that makes troubleshooting harder.
2006.07.28 09.23 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: hehehe
2006.07.28 10.55 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: dowaito-kun
2006.07.28 10.55 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: fuji-dono
2006.07.28 11.01 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Morning.
2006.07.28 11.15 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: well, now that I'm here I'm going to lunch
2006.07.28 11.15 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hehehe.
2006.07.28 11.15 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Thanks.
2006.07.28 11.54 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: tadaima
2006.07.28 11.54 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: How was lunhc?
2006.07.28 11.54 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: As good as can be expected. At least I feel full.
2006.07.28 11.55 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Sadly, I had to turn down some really yummy looking home made chocolate chip cookies.
2006.07.28 11.55 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Bummer man.
2006.07.28 12.24 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: My turn for lunch now.
2006.07.28 13.30 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'll be back.
2006.07.28 13.36 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: See? I'm back.
2006.07.28 13.38 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: I have a question...
2006.07.28 13.38 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: 42
2006.07.28 13.38 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: what is the fastest free client/server file transfer protocol?
2006.07.28 13.39 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Probably FTP or WWW
2006.07.28 13.39 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Though I don't know the speeds on Gopher.
2006.07.28 13.39 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: I am not satisfied with FTP and I like SCP speeds with the official SSH client, unfortunatley it's $150 for commercial use...
2006.07.28 13.40 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: WinSCP sucks
2006.07.28 13.40 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: SCP is probably slower than FTP due to the encryption.
2006.07.28 13.40 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: What exactly are you looking for?
2006.07.28 13.41 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: I have a server that I want clients to upload photos to and us in the lab to download them from...
2006.07.28 13.41 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: I used 2 FTP applications and was not satisfied with speed
2006.07.28 13.41 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: the official SSH SCP client gives really good speeds, but it's $150
2006.07.28 13.42 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Are you talking about speeds via your INTRAnet or the INTERnet?
2006.07.28 13.42 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: INTERnet
2006.07.28 13.43 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: I know my actual speeds are about 850Kb/s down and 100Kb/s up...
2006.07.28 13.43 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: AFAIK neither protocol has any inherent speed differences other than CPU overhead dealing with encryption . . . so I wonder about the network connection you had for testing, and possibly and ISP rate limiters on port 21 . . .
2006.07.28 13.44 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: hmm
2006.07.28 13.44 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: it is Comcast for business...
2006.07.28 13.44 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: I did a lot of testing speeds
2006.07.28 13.45 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Your home account is a business line?
2006.07.28 13.45 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: I'm at work
2006.07.28 13.46 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: But where did you do your testing?
2006.07.28 13.46 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: at work
2006.07.28 13.46 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You were at work, on the LAN, and tested speeds?
2006.07.28 13.46 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: I also did tests at Mentor Graphics...
2006.07.28 13.46 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: I was at work and tested over the internet...our server is not here
2006.07.28 13.46 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: it is in PDX
2006.07.28 13.47 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Well that's different then. I assumed that big rack of machines in that photo of you had your server.
2006.07.28 13.47 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: it has most of them
2006.07.28 13.47 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: all but one in fact
2006.07.28 13.47 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: the one I'm testing with
2006.07.28 13.48 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Well I don't know what to say . . . SCP should be slower, in the decryption, but the transfer rate of either should be the same since it's just TCP/IP at that point.
2006.07.28 13.48 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: that's what I thought
2006.07.28 13.48 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Unless you ran into a passive vs. active FTP firewall issue.
2006.07.28 13.48 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: maybe it is in the settings of the client
2006.07.28 13.48 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Could be.
2006.07.28 13.49 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So are you trying to decide on a protocol or on client software for you to use, or client software for your clients to use?
2006.07.28 13.49 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: we're talking about 50% speed loss going from SCP to FTP though...
2006.07.28 13.49 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: protocol - that has a good free client for our clients....
2006.07.28 13.49 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: and is the fastest
2006.07.28 13.49 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: That's not right. Something fishy is going on.
2006.07.28 13.50 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I don't know of any good free windows clients for any file transfering.
2006.07.28 13.50 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: we are talking about .5-8GB of data at a time
2006.07.28 13.50 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: What ftp client did you use to test?
2006.07.28 13.50 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: .5 to 8.0 GB
2006.07.28 13.50 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: And what ftp server do you have?
2006.07.28 13.51 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: CoreFTPLE, Filezilla, and SmartFTP
2006.07.28 13.51 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: we have ftpd for a server
2006.07.28 13.51 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Who made that ftpd?
2006.07.28 13.52 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Apache calls itself httpd but that doesn't mean anything . . . you know?
2006.07.28 13.52 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: hmm
2006.07.28 13.52 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: lemme check
2006.07.28 13.52 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: oh
2006.07.28 13.53 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: This is the netkit ftp server. It is recommended for you to use one of its alternatives, such as wu-ftpd or proftpd.
2006.07.28 13.53 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: lol
2006.07.28 13.53 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: I'm such a dummy!
2006.07.28 13.53 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.28 13.53 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I've used both wu and pro.
2006.07.28 13.53 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: crap I know nothing
2006.07.28 13.53 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I have no complaints for either.
2006.07.28 13.53 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: But I'd check the server configuration for things like chroot jails, rate limiting, quotas, that kind of stuff.
2006.07.28 13.54 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: yeah
2006.07.28 13.54 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: thx
2006.07.28 13.54 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I will say, if you are at all worried about eavesdropping then just go with SCP.
2006.07.28 13.54 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Or SFTP.
2006.07.28 13.55 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: Yeah...it's not a huge concern, but it's always a concern
2006.07.28 13.55 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: If it's at all a concern that save yourself a headache later and just do SCP now.
2006.07.28 13.56 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: maybe there are server/client settings that will speed WinSCP up?
2006.07.28 13.56 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm not sure.
2006.07.28 13.56 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Probably not server settings.
2006.07.28 13.56 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I've not seen those.
2006.07.28 13.57 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: k
2006.07.28 14.08 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: between SCP clients, am I getting 300Kb/s and 700Kb/s
2006.07.28 14.08 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hehe.
2006.07.28 14.08 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Looks like you've got some client issues to iron out.
2006.07.28 14.08 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: WinSCP tops out at 300, the SSH $150 app goes to 700
2006.07.28 14.09 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: WTH?
2006.07.28 14.09 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Pardon?
2006.07.28 14.09 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: a little less harsh than WTF?
2006.07.28 14.10 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: WTF is harsh?
2006.07.28 14.11 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.28 14.15 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: lol
2006.07.28 16.21 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I'm going home now.
2006.07.28 16.21 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Have a good weekend
2006.07.28 16.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You too.
2006.07.28 16.21 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: cya
2006.07.28 16.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So big birthday bash tomorrow eh 'Nut?
2006.07.28 16.21 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: yeah
2006.07.28 16.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Beer and pretzels, strippers, pinata . . . all the works?
2006.07.28 16.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.28 16.22 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: work in the AM, cousin bd in the pm
2006.07.28 16.22 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: I don't remember pretzels on the menu
2006.07.28 16.22 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: ...
2006.07.28 16.22 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Work??
2006.07.28 16.22 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Bwhahaha.
2006.07.28 16.22 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: yeah, I'm coming into work
2006.07.28 16.22 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Don't confuse the stripper with the pinata. I know they have the same mental capacity but . . .
2006.07.28 16.23 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: lol
2006.07.28 16.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Sad to think you can make tons of money doing such immoral things.
2006.07.28 16.24 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: yeah...there are much easier immoral ways to make tons of money ;)
2006.07.28 16.25 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: What amazes me is how people can so casually violate [our] morality.
2006.07.28 16.25 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Individual human psychology is fascinating, but perhaps dangerous.
2006.07.28 16.26 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hey, here's a trippy thought
2006.07.28 16.26 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: ok
2006.07.28 16.26 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: How'd you like to wake up and realized you just dreamed without color.
2006.07.28 16.27 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: umm...
2006.07.28 16.27 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: I so rarely dream...
2006.07.28 16.27 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: it's been years
2006.07.28 16.34 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm the same way actually.
2006.07.28 16.34 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198:
2006.07.28 16.35 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.28 16.35 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Talk about a whack job of a blogger.
2006.07.28 16.36 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: lol
2006.07.28 16.36 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: first I've seen of it
2006.07.28 16.36 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Must not have been here when it was announced.
2006.07.28 16.36 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Oh so long ago.
2006.07.28 16.36 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198:
2006.07.28 16.36 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: not surprising
2006.07.28 16.36 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Back in April.
2006.07.28 16.37 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Do you have an RSS reader you use?
2006.07.28 16.38 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: I am looking for a good one
2006.07.28 16.38 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You don't like bloglines or Google's approach?
2006.07.28 16.38 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: right now I have none on my main computer (my Blackberry ;)
2006.07.28 16.38 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'd recommend one or two but they are both for OSX.
2006.07.28 16.38 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: hehe
2006.07.28 16.39 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: if google made a blackberry rss reader, I'd use it
2006.07.28 16.39 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Google has an online RSS reader . . .
2006.07.28 16.40 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: I'm finding my blog/news reading time is best spent on my BB
2006.07.28 16.40 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Can you not surf via your blackberry?
2006.07.28 16.40 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: yes and no
2006.07.28 16.40 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Seems a little cramped to do it that way, IMO.
2006.07.28 16.40 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: it is awkward with google's site
2006.07.28 16.40 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: I just need to design one
2006.07.28 16.41 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You have no idea of the implications of that last statement.
2006.07.28 16.42 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: I need to write a simple page that displays output of an RSS server-side "grabber" or something
2006.07.28 16.42 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: not write an entire RSS reader...
2006.07.28 16.42 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: How is one different from the other?
2006.07.28 16.42 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: one is easy one is hard?
2006.07.28 16.42 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: hehe
2006.07.28 16.43 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Your server will be the "reader" . . .
2006.07.28 16.43 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: right
2006.07.28 16.43 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: aren't there server-side readers?
2006.07.28 16.43 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Not that I know of.
2006.07.28 16.44 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: oh
2006.07.28 16.44 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You mean something other than bloglines or google or rojo?
2006.07.28 16.44 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: hadn't heard of rojo, but yes
2006.07.28 16.44 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: something opensource configurable...
2006.07.28 16.44 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You mean something you setup on your own server?
2006.07.28 16.44 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: ya
2006.07.28 16.45 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Are you only looking to change the frontend to make it work with your blackberry?
2006.07.28 16.45 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: ya
2006.07.28 16.45 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I guess you could troll around on SourceForge and see if you can come up with anything.
2006.07.28 16.45 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You know . . . come to think of it, there was a perl script thingy that would do something like that.
2006.07.28 16.46 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: http
2006.07.28 16.47 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: that looks great
2006.07.28 16.47 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: minimalistic is the key word for the BB
2006.07.28 16.47 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.28 16.47 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I think this is the one I was thinking of.
2006.07.28 16.48 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: yeah, either one of those
2006.07.28 16.48 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: There you go then.
2006.07.28 16.48 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: That'll be $27.50 at the window. Have a nice day.
2006.07.28 16.49 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: ideally they would support displaying pages in WML
2006.07.28 16.49 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: WML?
2006.07.28 16.49 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: wireless
2006.07.28 16.49 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: markup language
2006.07.28 16.49 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Never heard of it.
2006.07.28 16.49 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Sounds . . . suspect.
2006.07.28 16.50 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Sounds like a marketing buzzword.
2006.07.28 16.50 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: What about that language makes it "wireless" I wonder . . .
2006.07.28 16.50 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: it's the BB web language
2006.07.28 16.50 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: brb
2006.07.28 16.50 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Ah.
2006.07.28 16.50 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So it's really BBML.
2006.07.28 16.50 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: http
2006.07.28 16.51 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Sounds like a load of crap to me.
2006.07.28 16.51 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Tell those phone makers to just use HTML like real people do.
2006.07.28 17.00 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: lol
2006.07.28 17.21 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: well, I'm the last one here now...and I was the first one here this morning...
2006.07.28 17.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Ouch.
2006.07.28 17.21 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: there's something not right about that
2006.07.28 17.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Go home.
2006.07.28 17.21 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: well, do I want more time at home tonight or tomorrow morning?
2006.07.28 17.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I think it depends on the mood at home.
2006.07.28 17.21 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: I'm working on a project that needs to be done by 7am Monday
2006.07.28 17.22 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: it will be much quieter after 7
2006.07.28 17.22 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Is that bedtime?
2006.07.28 17.22 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: but there are kids and lincoln logs to play with at home...
2006.07.28 17.22 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: yeah
2006.07.28 17.22 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: and dinner...
2006.07.28 17.23 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: and I need to stop at the gas station and the store to get stamps on the way home...
2006.07.28 17.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'd say get home in time for some "dancing".
2006.07.28 17.23 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: dancing?
2006.07.28 17.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: "Dancing".
2006.07.28 17.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: ;)
2006.07.28 17.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: ;)
2006.07.28 17.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Eh?
2006.07.28 17.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: ;)
2006.07.28 17.24 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: *** leads to dancing, or so JD's dad said at the wedding . . .
2006.07.28 17.24 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: ah
2006.07.28 17.24 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: ;)
2006.07.28 17.24 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: heeh
2006.07.28 17.24 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: s/dance.*/sex/g
2006.07.28 17.25 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Just don't take any ballroom "dancing" classes.
2006.07.28 17.25 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Okay. I'm leaving in 5 minutes.
2006.07.28 17.25 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: lol
2006.07.28 17.25 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: good for you
2006.07.28 17.25 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: I'm not.
2006.07.28 17.26 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.28 17.30 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm out!
2006.07.28 17.30 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: cya
2006.07.28 17.30 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: have a fnu weekend
2006.07.31 07.22 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: morning
2006.07.31 07.22 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Morning PhotoNut
2006.07.31 07.22 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: How was your weekend?
2006.07.31 07.22 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: alright, u?
2006.07.31 07.27 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Not bad. Relaxing, and even fun at times.
2006.07.31 07.27 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: wow
2006.07.31 07.29 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: I worked Saturday morning, went to a b-day party, taught preschool SS, visited with my family in woodburn...
2006.07.31 07.29 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: got a lot of sleep
2006.07.31 07.30 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Sounds busy
2006.07.31 07.30 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: yeah, too busy
2006.07.31 09.00 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: morning fuji-dono
2006.07.31 09.00 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Morning.
2006.07.31 09.00 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: BRB
2006.07.31 09.00 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It's Monday indeed.
2006.07.31 09.01 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: For some reason my weekend didn't feel satisfying.
2006.07.31 09.01 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I can't put my finger on it either.
2006.07.31 09.06 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Not enough snoring?
2006.07.31 09.07 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Heh. I wish it were that simple.
2006.07.31 09.07 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I think it's more fundamental, more base, more . . . ?
2006.07.31 09.08 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: We tried to play Runebound Midnight on Saturday. The women folk got bored so we quit early (VERY freakin' early).
2006.07.31 09.08 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: That's twice I've tried to play it and twice I had to abort.
2006.07.31 09.09 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It's looking like the Midnight expansion is for the "hardcore" gamers.
2006.07.31 09.09 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: suckage
2006.07.31 09.09 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: More or less.
2006.07.31 09.09 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Unfortunately that game is what ended our game day.
2006.07.31 09.10 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm coming to believe that life, the universe, and everything is about how it ends.
2006.07.31 09.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So on Saturday I found myself in a grocery store (*shudder*) and I saw a magazine in the checkout rack titled "Delicious" and I immediately wondered where the "."s were.
2006.07.31 09.22 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: hahahahahahahahaha
2006.07.31 09.36 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.31 09.38 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.31 09.38 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.31 09.39 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.31 09.40 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.31 10.16 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: RE
2006.07.31 10.16 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: morning, BTW ;)
2006.07.31 10.17 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Do this
2006.07.31 10.17 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Do it now, fuji-dono !!
2006.07.31 10.17 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: No.
2006.07.31 10.20 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: please?
2006.07.31 10.20 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: lol
2006.07.31 10.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Not until I know what it does.
2006.07.31 10.21 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: if only I had a mac, then I too could enjoy the wonders of inverting my screen at random.
2006.07.31 10.21 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: oops.
2006.07.31 10.22 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: I gave it away
2006.07.31 10.22 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: hehehehe. More like high-contrast then strict invert.
2006.07.31 10.22 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: a _WINDOWS_ user mind you ;)
2006.07.31 10.22 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Who knows how to google.
2006.07.31 10.23 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: lol
2006.07.31 10.31 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.31 10.31 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Round 2?
2006.07.31 10.44 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: responded to round 2. http
2006.07.31 11.25 (0kelvin) *self*: Comment posted.
2006.07.31 11.26 (0kelvin) *self*: Please let me know if it makes any sense at all.
2006.07.31 11.29 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: What you said makes sense, but now I think I have to re-evaluate what I said and how I said it, because I think none of us are enthusiasts in the way I was talking about (and I'd argue we aren't anymore, indicating we once were).
2006.07.31 11.35 (0kelvin) *self*: Interesting.
2006.07.31 11.35 (0kelvin) *self*: I think I'd agree with you too.
2006.07.31 11.37 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Me three
2006.07.31 11.39 (0kelvin) *self*: Would anyone be interested in a reeducation program of /me regarding OSX, perhaps this afternoon? Specifically, I'm curious how the concept of a workflow is improved in OSX. Or is that a concept that can only be "felt" and not told?
2006.07.31 11.40 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I could do my best, but it might be like explaining enlightenement . . . .
2006.07.31 11.40 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: (no not the window manager).
2006.07.31 11.40 (0kelvin) *self*: That's what I figured
2006.07.31 11.40 (0kelvin) *self*: Oh, even more difficult in that case.
2006.07.31 11.41 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: What did you have in mind by way of re-education?
2006.07.31 11.41 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: First you must unlearn all your bad habits.
2006.07.31 11.41 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Then you must learn good habits.
2006.07.31 11.41 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Finally, you must wax the car. Wax-on. Wax-off . . . .
2006.07.31 11.42 (0kelvin) *self*: That is what I mean't by reeducation. I understand I'm just duplicating what I do in Windows, and it's innefficient. I'd like to know the "right" way.
2006.07.31 11.42 (0kelvin) *self*: Or maybe I'm just so 1337 in Windows that there's nothing as fast in OSX.
2006.07.31 11.43 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'll give it a shot as long as you give me some "for examples" at the time.
2006.07.31 11.43 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Heh.
2006.07.31 11.43 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You and Office eh?
2006.07.31 11.43 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hand-in-hand.
2006.07.31 11.43 (0kelvin) *self*: Yeah. For ewxamples would be good.
2006.07.31 11.44 (0kelvin) *self*: Was is word or was it clippy? 'case me and him go way back.
2006.07.31 11.44 (0kelvin) *self*: s/case/cause
2006.07.31 11.44 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: hahahahaha
2006.07.31 11.45 (0kelvin) *self*: On a completely different note; I think "WriteRoom" is my new blog post authoring tool.
2006.07.31 11.46 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I was picturing jedediah and Office going for a picnic stroll in a park, complete with lounging on a blanket in the sun . . . .
2006.07.31 11.46 (0kelvin) *self*:
2006.07.31 11.46 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: WriteRoom? URL?
2006.07.31 11.46 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: jedediah sure does love his full screen mode.
2006.07.31 11.46 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.31 11.46 (0kelvin) *self*: hehe I do.
2006.07.31 11.46 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Eeew.
2006.07.31 11.46 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: That one?
2006.07.31 11.46 (0kelvin) *self*: I also have SIMBL app that will make /any/ osx app full screen.
2006.07.31 11.47 (0kelvin) *self*: yes fuji-dono that one
2006.07.31 11.47 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Yeah, I saw that input manager and nearly gagged.
2006.07.31 11.47 (0kelvin) *self*: haha
2006.07.31 11.47 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm not so easily distracted.
2006.07.31 11.47 (0kelvin) *self*: Consider yourself blessed.
2006.07.31 11.48 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Achoo!
2006.07.31 11.56 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: http
2006.07.31 11.57 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I think, if you have so much free screen real-estate that you can be distracted, you need a smaller display.
2006.07.31 11.57 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hehehe.
2006.07.31 11.57 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Hey, fuji-dono. Did you ever try Poxnora?
2006.07.31 11.57 (0kelvin) *self*: bah
2006.07.31 11.57 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Ooooo, pretty walpaper, must stare at it . . .
2006.07.31 11.57 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I have not yet dowaito-kun.
2006.07.31 11.57 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I might do it today.
2006.07.31 12.10 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun:
2006.07.31 12.13 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: alas - too much good conversation going on in comments, posts, and chat...and I have a busy day again. Dang it!!
2006.07.31 12.14 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: jedediah
2006.07.31 12.14 (0kelvin) *self*: Nope
2006.07.31 12.14 (0kelvin) *self*: I'm on my real computer right now.
2006.07.31 12.14 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: nice
2006.07.31 12.14 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: how'd you pull that off?
2006.07.31 12.16 (0kelvin) *self*: There's a rogue wifi network here. I just have to find the right times to have my laptop out.
2006.07.31 12.16 (0kelvin) *self*: be back in a few.
2006.07.31 12.16 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: nice
2006.07.31 12.16 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: or get a usb wifi card
2006.07.31 12.17 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Why would he need a usb wifi card?
2006.07.31 12.17 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: For the desktop machine, so he doesn't have to pull out his laptop
2006.07.31 12.17 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: just a dongle usb wifi card...so he could do it from his desktop
2006.07.31 12.17 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Less risk of being tagged a slacker
2006.07.31 12.17 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: yeah
2006.07.31 12.17 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: exactly
2006.07.31 12.18 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: And force him to use a Windows SILC client that crashes hourly?
2006.07.31 12.18 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: no, an ssh client to a linux box running silc from the command line ;)
2006.07.31 12.18 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: putty never crashes for me
2006.07.31 12.18 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: a buggy windows ssh client that crashes every hour.
2006.07.31 12.19 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Putty is pretty good.
2006.07.31 12.19 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: I love putty
2006.07.31 12.19 (0kelvin) *self*: Yeah. Actually, I'm not even using SILC on my mac.
2006.07.31 12.19 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: use putty to ssh into a stable linux box that I have a screen session always running on...
2006.07.31 12.19 (0kelvin) *self*: I put my laptop to sleep too often, and silc doesn't respond nicely to dropped connections.
2006.07.31 12.20 (0kelvin) *self*: s/silc/colloquy/g
2006.07.31 12.20 (0kelvin) *self*: I still ssh into a linux box.
2006.07.31 12.20 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: No accounting for taste then.
2006.07.31 12.20 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: I'm just a dumb windows user, don't listen to me ;)
2006.07.31 12.21 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: CLI isn't all that great . . . no new message notification noises.
2006.07.31 12.21 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: the only thing I am enthusiastic about is photography...
2006.07.31 12.21 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: fyi
2006.07.31 12.21 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: computers suck.
2006.07.31 12.21 (0kelvin) *self*: Amen to that.
2006.07.31 12.22 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: software sucks. hardware sucks. companies that make both suck.
2006.07.31 12.22 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Sounds like PhotoNut needs a hug . . . or some "dancing".
2006.07.31 12.23 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: lol
2006.07.31 12.24 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: I need to take a camera and go for a walk...a long walk.
2006.07.31 12.24 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: ...off a short pier.
2006.07.31 12.24 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun:
2006.07.31 12.24 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: lol
2006.07.31 12.24 (0kelvin) *self*: Alright, I've gotta grab some lunch. I'll talk to ya'll soon.
2006.07.31 12.24 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: cya
2006.07.31 12.24 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Grab it by the horns jedediah
2006.07.31 12.26 (0kelvin) PhotoNut@198: well, I'm off to try and cram a math formula into a photo product and see if it sorts the right way...joy of all joys...be back someday...
2006.07.31 12.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm just going to take my lunch is all.
2006.07.31 12.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Nothing special.
2006.07.31 12.33 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I'm just going to pretend I'm working hard.
2006.07.31 12.33 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: That's what I do.
2006.07.31 12.37 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: hehehe
2006.07.31 13.07 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: \\'007!!!
2006.07.31 13.08 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I'm getting "Mondo Head" by Kodo via lala
2006.07.31 13.19 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Let me know how good it is.
2006.07.31 13.22 (0kelvin) *self*: FWIW, I did some thinking about "workflow" in OSX.
2006.07.31 13.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Yeah?
2006.07.31 13.23 (0kelvin) *self*: And I don't think it really matters to me. Mostly because I never actually "work" in OSX. I have a full time job that only uses windows. All I do the other times is check my email.
2006.07.31 13.23 (0kelvin) *self*: I could do it just as effeciently on my 266mhz laptop running fluxbox.
2006.07.31 13.24 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I got nothing to say to taht.
2006.07.31 13.24 (0kelvin) *self*: Yeah. I just need to find a job that will let me use a computer I like.
2006.07.31 13.25 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Which is one of the reasons I like my job now.
2006.07.31 13.25 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Though the missus can't understand that . . .
2006.07.31 13.25 (0kelvin) *self*: hehe
2006.07.31 13.25 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Do you really only check email on your MacBook Pro?
2006.07.31 13.27 (0kelvin) *self*: Pretty much. I do some web browsing and whatnot, but I certainly don't do anything that couldn't be done on a five year old pc laptop.
2006.07.31 13.27 (0kelvin) *self*: It's sad actually.
2006.07.31 13.27 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: 'Cuz that's so depressing. $2500 for email . . .
2006.07.31 13.27 (0kelvin) *self*: Don't remind me.
2006.07.31 13.27 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I could always offer to trade you laptops straight across.
2006.07.31 13.27 (0kelvin) *self*: Offer away.
2006.07.31 13.27 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I thought I just did.
2006.07.31 13.28 (0kelvin) *self*: You said you could offer.
2006.07.31 13.28 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Maybe in 5 years you'll have free time at home to do some personal coding projects.
2006.07.31 13.28 (0kelvin) *self*: I have a new battery on the way. Woohoo!
2006.07.31 13.28 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Cool.
2006.07.31 13.36 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Anyone want to speculate where all the "good" tech jobs in Salem have gone?
2006.07.31 13.37 (0kelvin) *self*: Gone?
2006.07.31 13.37 (0kelvin) *self*: I'd speculate that Salem was never a place for "good" tech jobs.
2006.07.31 13.37 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Eh?
2006.07.31 13.37 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hehe.
2006.07.31 13.37 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Yeah, there's that.
2006.07.31 13.37 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Cupertino is a good place for tech jobs, but a bad place to live.
2006.07.31 13.38 (0kelvin) *self*: It's just a bunch of beurocracy here in Salem. Always has been, probably will continue to be.
2006.07.31 13.38 (0kelvin) *self*: Of course that's just my $0.02
2006.07.31 13.39 (0kelvin) *self*: What say you fuji-dono ?
2006.07.31 13.39 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: But there's got to be room for tech jobs.
2006.07.31 13.39 (0kelvin) *self*: IMO, it depends what kind of tech job you want.
2006.07.31 13.39 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Salem, like most cities, is stuck with Microsoft, and I've never liked programming in that environment.'
2006.07.31 13.39 (0kelvin) *self*: It you want to do sysadmin work, there will always be that.
2006.07.31 13.39 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: And anymore I'm not sure what kind of job I want, tech or otherwise.
2006.07.31 13.39 (0kelvin) *self*: Most agencies like Microsoft.
2006.07.31 13.39 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I never again want to be on call 24/7.
2006.07.31 13.40 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I just don't get the MS dependency in the world today.
2006.07.31 13.40 (0kelvin) *self*: Although OSHA (iirc) does everything in OSX. You might want to give them a shot.
2006.07.31 13.40 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: If you ask people what they use the come back with "Office" and "Network File Server" neither of which NEEDs to be MS.
2006.07.31 13.40 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I just want to make enough money to enjoy the life I get to live while not working, and to have fun at work (whatever that means).
2006.07.31 13.41 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I think I'm doomed.
2006.07.31 13.41 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Always doomed.
2006.07.31 13.41 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Doomed and cursed.
2006.07.31 13.41 (0kelvin) *self*: Join the club.
2006.07.31 13.41 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I thought I was the president . . .
2006.07.31 13.41 (0kelvin) *self*: Consider it a renewal of your vows.
2006.07.31 13.42 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Vows? I didn't take no vows man.
2006.07.31 13.42 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You be plumb crazy man.
2006.07.31 13.42 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You be smoking that loco weed again?
2006.07.31 13.42 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: 'Dat's some good stuff man. You lay off it, ya'hear?
2006.07.31 13.42 (0kelvin) *self*: Hmm. For some reason I'm feeling exceptionally cynical today.
2006.07.31 13.42 (0kelvin) *self*: Must be the Monday.
2006.07.31 13.43 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Or any other day that ends in "y".
2006.07.31 13.43 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.31 13.56 (0kelvin) *self*: I can't believe what some companies waste money on . . .
2006.07.31 13.56 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Oh?
2006.07.31 13.56 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: like Windows
2006.07.31 13.56 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun:
2006.07.31 13.56 (0kelvin) *self*: Lol
2006.07.31 13.57 (0kelvin) *self*: Saif just dropped close to six figures on what they call "rebranding".
2006.07.31 13.57 (0kelvin) *self*: I call it a new, ugly logo.
2006.07.31 13.57 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: A third dell laptop went up in flames.
2006.07.31 13.57 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: That's two reported incidents in two weeks.
2006.07.31 13.57 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: jedediah
2006.07.31 13.57 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: dowaito-kun
2006.07.31 13.57 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Last weeks was while the laptop was closed.
2006.07.31 13.57 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I don't think anyone should be risking their life with a dell right now.
2006.07.31 13.57 (0kelvin) *self*: And I've been working on one just like that for a month!! It gets unbeleivably hot, that's for sure.
2006.07.31 13.58 (0kelvin) *self*: Warmer than my macbook, which is really sayin' something.
2006.07.31 13.58 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I think its very scary it can happen while 'suspeneded'. House fires, office fires. Ouch.
2006.07.31 13.58 (0kelvin) *self*: yeah
2006.07.31 13.58 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Frightening stuff . . .
2006.07.31 13.59 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Anyone else smell recall?
2006.07.31 13.59 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Yes, and it smells like melting plastic.
2006.07.31 13.59 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: The question is, can Dell absorb the losses of a recall at this point?
2006.07.31 14.00 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Can they not?
2006.07.31 14.00 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: At what point will a class action lawsuit ensue?
2006.07.31 14.01 (0kelvin) *self*: Soon.
2006.07.31 14.01 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: 1. Recalls are very expensive, and Dell runs close to margin so they can keep prices down in spite of high support costs.
2006.07.31 14.01 (0kelvin) *self*: Those lawyers are already knocking down the door.
2006.07.31 14.02 (0kelvin) *self*: Did everyone hear that apple is recalling batteriess?
2006.07.31 14.02 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: 2. As soon as some personal damage (scorched scrotum?) occurs.
2006.07.31 14.02 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: jedediah
2006.07.31 14.02 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Which is smart (and the second time in the last 4 years. At least they aren't waiting to burn down someone's house.
2006.07.31 14.02 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Though I did hear they are going to fix the whining.
2006.07.31 14.02 (0kelvin) *self*: hehe
2006.07.31 14.03 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Macbook pro (certain models)
2006.07.31 14.03 (0kelvin) *self*: The whining too? Yaay!!
2006.07.31 14.03 (0kelvin) *self*: be back in a bit
2006.07.31 14.27 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.31 14.28 (0kelvin) *self*: This is an odd sight [at my desk]. I have a macbook pro and two powerbook g4s side by side by side in a company that officially "doesn't use macs"
2006.07.31 14.29 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Wow. What's up with that?
2006.07.31 14.30 (0kelvin) *self*: Doing some video editing with iMovie and Final Cut on the two powerbooks, this on the macbook.
2006.07.31 14.30 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: For the company I take eit.
2006.07.31 14.30 (0kelvin) *self*: yup.
2006.07.31 14.31 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Lucky you.
2006.07.31 14.31 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: BTW, what is your job description?
2006.07.31 14.31 (0kelvin) *self*: "Web Developer". I do mostly work on the intranet here
2006.07.31 14.31 (0kelvin) *self*: (using a CMS designed by the devil himself)
2006.07.31 14.32 (0kelvin) *self*: It's actually not even a programming job.
2006.07.31 14.32 (0kelvin) *self*:
2006.07.31 14.33 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: is it a homebrew CMS or a commercial package?
2006.07.31 14.33 (0kelvin) *self*: Commercial package (http
2006.07.31 14.34 (0kelvin) *self*: s/Commercial/Enterprise Level commercial/
2006.07.31 14.38 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Never heard of it.
2006.07.31 14.38 (0kelvin) *self*: With good reason.
2006.07.31 14.38 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Not that it matters. They pop up like weeds.
2006.07.31 14.38 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It uses BASIC as it's template language.
2006.07.31 14.38 (0kelvin) *self*: Only difference is they're harder to kill.
2006.07.31 14.38 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It's really weird.
2006.07.31 14.39 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: One of the "markup languages" is COBOL of all thing.s
2006.07.31 14.39 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: no way, really?
2006.07.31 14.39 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Wow, they are nuts.
2006.07.31 14.39 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Nah. I'm just making stuff up.
2006.07.31 14.39 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: oh.
2006.07.31 14.39 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: 10 PRINT
2006.07.31 14.40 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: 20 PRINT
2006.07.31 14.40 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: 30 GOTO 20
2006.07.31 14.40 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: The fact that the web page address no technical issues makes me immediately suspect.
2006.07.31 14.40 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: jedediah what is it programmed in?
2006.07.31 14.40 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: print statements require quotes
2006.07.31 14.40 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: See how long it's been since I've done BASIC?
2006.07.31 14.41 (0kelvin) *self*: It is programmed entirely in .NET.
2006.07.31 14.41 (0kelvin) *self*: And keeping an intranet running with ~3k pages is more than the software can handle running on a 2ghz box.
2006.07.31 14.42 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: How many .net cms do we need? Its even worse than the big java push of the late 90s.
2006.07.31 14.42 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: How many CMSes do we need?
2006.07.31 14.42 (0kelvin) *self*: So true.
2006.07.31 14.42 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: You should just put it all in cold fusion.
2006.07.31 14.42 (0kelvin) *self*: hehe
2006.07.31 14.42 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Or Sharepoint.
2006.07.31 14.42 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Ugh.
2006.07.31 14.42 (0kelvin) *self*: That was my first real "web language" job.
2006.07.31 14.42 (0kelvin) *self*: (coldfusion)
2006.07.31 14.43 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Well, actually sharepoint might be a good fit for you guys. I guess it depends on how you use your intranet.
2006.07.31 14.43 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You know what sucks? I can find jobs for COBOL and Cold Fusion, but not for any other languages (though I have found a couple of .NET jobs).
2006.07.31 14.43 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I never quite groked shairpoint.
2006.07.31 14.43 (0kelvin) *self*: That doesn't surprise me. The developers of sharepoint never quite groked it either.
2006.07.31 14.43 (0kelvin) *self*: In fact, NO ONE is quite sure why they or anyone else would use it.
2006.07.31 14.44 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Microsoft uses it for all their projects.
2006.07.31 14.44 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: And require all their vendors to use it to work with them.
2006.07.31 14.44 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Is it a CMS?
2006.07.31 14.44 (0kelvin) *self*: Do they know what it /does/ though?
2006.07.31 14.45 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: McCann (where I used to work) has become quite the Sharepoint shop now. They have several clients for which they build sharepoint solutions.
2006.07.31 14.45 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: No, sharepoint is a collaboration suite. It allows you to build web interfaces to word / excel/ etc. documents, as well as custom forms which output to the requisit formats via xml.
2006.07.31 14.46 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: It has many other tools in the suite as well. It integrates with project for instance to allow large teams (or teams in seperate locations) to update and view the project.
2006.07.31 14.46 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Ugh, now I sound like a commercial.
2006.07.31 14.46 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Sounds . . . confusing.
2006.07.31 14.46 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: It is a pain in the but to setup and use.
2006.07.31 14.47 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Sounds like it.
2006.07.31 14.47 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: And it requires a seperate server for every instance.
2006.07.31 14.47 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I am so glad I quit working at McCann. One job for Microsoft was more than I could take.
2006.07.31 14.50 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: http
2006.07.31 14.51 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: The Java slogged so slow on my iBook that I gave up.
2006.07.31 14.51 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: sorry
2006.07.31 14.52 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Worked fine on mine.
2006.07.31 14.52 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: And it looked like I'd be spending "too much" (as measured by me) time setting up my "deck" and not playing.
2006.07.31 14.52 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm not into the meta-gaming aspect of C*Gs.
2006.07.31 14.52 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: http
2006.07.31 14.52 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I think I'm a "let's just play" kind of guy.
2006.07.31 14.52 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I don't like getting beat by children.
2006.07.31 14.53 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.31 14.53 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm with you on that one.
2006.07.31 14.53 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Unless the kid is some idiot savant prodigy I don't want to be beat by them.
2006.07.31 14.53 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Kids and strategy aren't often used in the same sentence.
2006.07.31 14.53 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Unless its CCGs
2006.07.31 14.53 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: What strategy though?
2006.07.31 14.54 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Children are waaaay to willing to throw there allowance at games like that.
2006.07.31 14.54 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: The rest of us have to buy things like food.
2006.07.31 14.55 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: But can they actually win in a game of strategy and tactics?
2006.07.31 14.55 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: (can I for that matter?)
2006.07.31 14.55 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Waaah! http
2006.07.31 14.55 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.31 14.55 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Cool!
2006.07.31 14.55 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Sure. I was beating adults at chess when I was only 10
2006.07.31 14.55 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Your mom doesn't count.
2006.07.31 14.56 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Wah! Pastel hello kitty darth vader?
2006.07.31 14.56 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: WTF?
2006.07.31 14.56 (0kelvin) *self*:
2006.07.31 14.56 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: heheeheh
2006.07.31 14.56 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: And my Mom can beat your mom!
2006.07.31 14.56 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun:
2006.07.31 14.56 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: By about 200 pounds . . .
2006.07.31 14.57 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: more like 300
2006.07.31 14.57 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Ouch!
2006.07.31 14.57 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Mine is under 100 I think . . .
2006.07.31 14.57 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.31 14.57 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.31 14.57 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: but when I say I was beating adults, I mean chess playing adults. At the local chess club. Dork.
2006.07.31 14.57 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I would faint from shock if I learned my mother was under 500
2006.07.31 14.57 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Well maybe 400
2006.07.31 14.58 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: No, I bet she's close to 500
2006.07.31 14.58 (0kelvin) *self*: I gotta get some work done. ddl.
2006.07.31 14.58 (0kelvin) *self*: s/dd/bb/
2006.07.31 14.59 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: These pretzels are making me thirsty!
2006.07.31 15.00 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Stop eating them.
2006.07.31 15.00 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: You aren't a Seinfeld fan are you
2006.07.31 15.01 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.07.31 15.01 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: The original of the vader stuff.
2006.07.31 15.02 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Count Dookie sez, That Sanrio Darth Vader is a quick Photoshop I did for a thread on The Dented Helmet, a Boba Fett prop-making site.
2006.07.31 15.02 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Its a photoshop? Bummer
2006.07.31 15.03 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I was much more impressed when I thought someone actually made it.
2006.07.31 15.10 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: http
2006.07.31 15.10 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: The kid who was hit, was given a ticket?! You'd think being run over by a car would be punishment enough. Sheesh.
2006.07.31 15.12 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: http
2006.07.31 15.12 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Movies which are no longer under copyright.
2006.07.31 15.13 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: The stupid kid was on the wrong side of the road . . . what did he expet?
2006.07.31 15.14 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Yes! "The Wild Women of Wongo" is finally free! My dream come true!!!
2006.07.31 15.14 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: No, he was only cited for riding without lights and proper gear.
2006.07.31 15.15 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: never mind, I mis read something.
2006.07.31 15.15 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: And I didn't say anything about being cited . . .
2006.07.31 15.15 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: "Kyle Holtrust, 18, was riding his bike south on South Kolb Road against traffic" that's not legal in this State anyway.
2006.07.31 15.17 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: http
2006.07.31 15.17 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: learn2cook n00b
2006.07.31 15.18 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I bet jedediah would like this http
2006.07.31 15.19 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: WTF? They can't boil and egg?
2006.07.31 15.20 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Well, Britts have never been known for their culinary genius.
2006.07.31 15.20 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I guess so.
2006.07.31 15.31 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: http
2006.07.31 15.31 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: There's a prank or two waiting to happen.
2006.07.31 15.34 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Nice!
2006.07.31 15.34 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun:
2006.07.31 15.34 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Dell to the rescue!
2006.07.31 15.34 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: (again).
2006.07.31 15.34 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So exploding laptops or SMS shutdown desktops.
2006.07.31 15.34 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: What's next?
2006.07.31 15.35 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: You know what would be even funnier... "everytime a cell phone gets a text message, God burns a dell laptop"
2006.07.31 15.36 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hehe.
2006.07.31 15.37 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Clarence, the Dell Demon . . .
2006.07.31 15.38 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: hehehehehe
2006.07.31 15.41 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Whee everyone has left the office for the day.
2006.07.31 15.42 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I think I got that wink which said you can go to.
2006.07.31 15.42 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: s/to/too/
2006.07.31 15.42 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: We'll see.
2006.07.31 15.48 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: what are you waiting for. Go!
2006.07.31 15.48 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun:
2006.07.31 15.48 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: A download.
2006.07.31 15.49 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Well, as long as you have your priorities right.
2006.07.31 15.50 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hehehe.
2006.07.31 15.56 (0kelvin) *self*: Time for me to head out.
2006.07.31 15.56 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Have a good eve.
2006.07.31 15.56 (0kelvin) *self*: You as well.
2006.07.31 15.56 (0kelvin) *self*: again
2006.07.31 15.56 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.31 16.01 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Did I tell you I'm getting the Akira soundtrack via lala as well?
2006.07.31 16.01 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Nope.
2006.07.31 16.01 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I'm real excited. It should show up any day.
2006.07.31 16.01 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Cool.
2006.07.31 16.02 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: That's the definitive life altering anime for me. That was the one, that made me look at anime as something cerebral and engaging. Not just pretty pictures.
2006.07.31 16.02 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Cool.
2006.07.31 16.02 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: And the first time I saw cartoon boobies.
2006.07.31 16.02 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It was a good one, though a little psychotic.
2006.07.31 16.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: There were boobies?
2006.07.31 16.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I don't recall that.
2006.07.31 16.03 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Near the beginning when Kaneda is chasing the clowns. They capture and attempt to rape his girl. They rip her shirt off, before he arrives to kick their butts.
2006.07.31 16.04 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: It's a quick flash... maybe half a second.
2006.07.31 16.04 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm recalling the scene but not the boobies.
2006.07.31 16.04 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: hehehe.
2006.07.31 16.04 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Totaly pales compared to some of the stuff we see now.
2006.07.31 16.04 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: /* No Comment */
2006.07.31 16.04 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.07.31 16.04 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: That was 15 years ago. When fansubbers traded vhs tapes.
2006.07.31 16.05 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Has it been that long?
2006.07.31 16.05 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Yep
2006.07.31 16.05 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Where does the time go?
2006.07.31 16.05 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Right out the flippin' window.
2006.07.31 16.20 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I'm going to go home now.
2006.07.31 16.20 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: See you tomorrow.
2006.07.31 16.20 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Will do.
2006.08.01 08.17 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: http
2006.08.01 08.17 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Stupid client.
2006.08.01 09.01 (0kelvin) *self*: Morning
2006.08.01 09.02 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Morning.
2006.08.01 09.03 (0kelvin) *self*: How are things?
2006.08.01 09.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Meh as usual.
2006.08.01 09.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You?
2006.08.01 09.03 (0kelvin) *self*: My back hurts. Not good.
2006.08.01 09.04 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Ouch.
2006.08.01 09.04 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: sorry man.
2006.08.01 09.04 (0kelvin) *self*: Yeah. . . oh well
2006.08.01 09.04 (0kelvin) *self*: Life goes one.
2006.08.01 09.04 (0kelvin) *self*: s/one/on/
2006.08.01 09.04 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.08.01 09.04 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Is that a hoax?
2006.08.01 09.06 (0kelvin) *self*: Doesn't seem so. Lots of fairly reliable sources are carrying it.
2006.08.01 09.06 (0kelvin) *self*: I've actually heard that it's completely canceled, not even "on life support". (ala slashdot)
2006.08.01 09.07 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Looks like /. is wrong.
2006.08.01 09.08 (0kelvin) *self*: surprise surprise ;)
2006.08.01 09.08 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: hehe.
2006.08.01 09.17 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Morning
2006.08.01 09.18 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Actualy, it is changed.
2006.08.01 09.18 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Actually what is changed?
2006.08.01 09.18 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Morning?
2006.08.01 09.18 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: It will be an invitation afair called the E3 multemedia something or other.
2006.08.01 09.18 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: It will take place in two hotels in LA.
2006.08.01 09.19 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: 5,000 guests instead of 75,000
2006.08.01 09.19 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Sounds like it will be a meet and greet for 'journalists' and a place for anouncements.
2006.08.01 09.20 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So how are you dowaito-kun?
2006.08.01 09.20 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Its also getting its date changed to closer to November so companies can highlight products hitting the shelves for Christmas
2006.08.01 09.20 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I'm okay. A bit tired, but alright.
2006.08.01 09.27 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I had a hard time waking up this morning . . . so I'm tired too.
2006.08.01 09.27 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Tired in a bone-weary sort of way.
2006.08.01 11.00 (0kelvin) *self*: Does anyone have and use a free RSS reader for OSX?
2006.08.01 11.00 (0kelvin) *self*: Specifically one that integrates with Growl?
2006.08.01 11.00 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Yes.
2006.08.01 11.00 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.08.01 11.01 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It's actually quite nice.
2006.08.01 11.01 (0kelvin) *self*: Thank you!
2006.08.01 11.01 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Sure.
2006.08.01 11.03 (0kelvin) *self*: Very cool indeed.
2006.08.01 11.09 (papyrus) *self*: Hallo
2006.08.01 11.09 (0kelvin) *self*: I'm afraid I've gotta run for a bit. bbl.
2006.08.01 11.09 (papyrus) fuji-dono: Heh. Runner.
2006.08.01 11.09 (papyrus) fuji-dono: I was going to say we should see what we can do to revive the proejct.
2006.08.01 11.45 (papyrus) dowaito-kun: I just got the hint, sorry
2006.08.01 11.45 (papyrus) fuji-dono: No biggie. I was really hinting at jedediah.
2006.08.01 11.45 (papyrus) fuji-dono: He recently worked on his wiki to get a reading list going.
2006.08.01 11.45 (papyrus) dowaito-kun: Oh, so I am unimportant?
2006.08.01 11.46 (papyrus) fuji-dono: Made me think there might be interest in this project (again?).
2006.08.01 11.46 (papyrus) fuji-dono: Always, you PHP hater.
2006.08.01 11.46 (papyrus) fuji-dono:
2006.08.01 11.46 (papyrus) dowaito-kun: hehehehehe
2006.08.01 11.47 (papyrus) fuji-dono: So I'm still wondering if there is enough interest . . .
2006.08.01 11.47 (papyrus) fuji-dono: Even then I'm not sure where the next step is.
2006.08.01 11.47 (papyrus) dowaito-kun: I'd say start with the most basic feature set, and build it.
2006.08.01 11.49 (papyrus) fuji-dono: Build it in what though?
2006.08.01 11.49 (papyrus) fuji-dono: If I pick PHP you'll not help, if I pick Ruby it'll take me forever to learn it.
2006.08.01 11.49 (papyrus) dowaito-kun: I'm not sure that even matters right now. It's more important to get momentum going.
2006.08.01 11.50 (papyrus) dowaito-kun: Do it in Lisp for all I care, let's just get it going.
2006.08.01 11.50 (papyrus) dowaito-kun: It's not like we can't call it a prototype and rewrite it later.
2006.08.01 11.50 (papyrus) fuji-dono: There is that . . .
2006.08.01 11.50 (papyrus) dowaito-kun: In fact, that would be my only request at this point. Keep things agile.
2006.08.01 11.53 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: >look at raven
2006.08.01 11.53 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: This ragged bird of ill omen hops about the railway track. Its feathers are as black as night against the white snow. It speaks
2006.08.01 11.53 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Cute.
2006.08.01 12.08 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm going on lunch now.
2006.08.01 12.08 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I think I'll embezzle Wednesday
2006.08.01 12.14 (papyrus) *self*: I vote for LISP.
2006.08.01 12.16 (papyrus) dowaito-kun:
2006.08.01 12.16 (papyrus) dowaito-kun: Worked for yahoo
2006.08.01 12.23 (papyrus) *self*: So are we having the language discussion right now?
2006.08.01 12.24 (papyrus) *self*: If we go with php, will everyone be at least moderately happy?
2006.08.01 12.24 (papyrus) *self*: If we go with rails, will fuji-dono learn by example if we twist his arm?
2006.08.01 12.51 (papyrus) dowaito-kun: I say go with php. As much as it sucks, at least we'll be making progress.
2006.08.01 12.51 (papyrus) dowaito-kun: And no one has to buy new books.
2006.08.01 12.54 (papyrus) *self*: I do.
2006.08.01 12.54 (papyrus) *self*:
2006.08.01 12.56 (papyrus) dowaito-kun: Why. PHP.net has darn good documentation.
2006.08.01 13.00 (papyrus) fuji-dono: I would not mind learning RoR, but we all know my gripes about bad documentation.
2006.08.01 13.01 (papyrus) *self*: Yes we do.
2006.08.01 13.01 (papyrus) fuji-dono: I'll see what kind of database schema I can put together (to get us started) and then maybe one of you can make sure the names are ActiveRecord friendly.
2006.08.01 13.01 (papyrus) fuji-dono: I only fear that if we go RoR then it will still be quite a few months before we see any progress at all.
2006.08.01 13.01 (papyrus) dowaito-kun: Don't worry about being active record friendly.
2006.08.01 13.02 (papyrus) fuji-dono: Why not?
2006.08.01 13.02 (papyrus) dowaito-kun: We can tell active record how to use our legacy db and field names.
2006.08.01 13.02 (papyrus) fuji-dono: In any case I'll run it by ya'll and we can at least agree on a naming scheme.
2006.08.01 13.02 (papyrus) *self*:
2006.08.01 13.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Tadaima.
2006.08.01 13.24 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: okaeri
2006.08.01 13.24 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: You were away?
2006.08.01 13.24 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I was "eating" "lunch".
2006.08.01 13.25 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: wow
2006.08.01 13.25 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I wonder what 'eating' is a euphemism for. Then I wonder what 'lunch' is a euphemism for.
2006.08.01 13.26 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: "dancing" and "snoring" ?
2006.08.01 13.27 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I can only tell you that you are wrong, but the right answer would thrill you a little.
2006.08.01 13.27 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: oh, how tantalizing. Can we have a hint?
2006.08.01 13.28 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: The magic 8 ball says no.
2006.08.01 13.28 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: bah
2006.08.01 13.28 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: 8 ball has always hated me.
2006.08.01 13.29 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It's . . . rather anti-social by nature I think.
2006.08.01 13.29 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: And it harbours ill will toward the Gypsies, and you know what happens if you do that.
2006.08.01 13.29 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: They curse you!
2006.08.01 13.29 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Is a cursed 8 ball any use?
2006.08.01 13.30 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Now, I don't know what kind of curse you could put on a magic 8 ball to make it miserable, but . . .
2006.08.01 13.31 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Is an 8 ball of any use?
2006.08.01 13.32 (0kelvin) *self*: going to "eat" lun"ch"
2006.08.01 13.32 (0kelvin) *self*: bbl
2006.08.01 13.32 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Now that is clear euphamism for getting high in the bathroom.
2006.08.01 13.33 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Note the use of "ch" which usually indicates sink, but in this use (preceded by 'n') the author is in fact enacting the Grant-Schippley rule and means "women's toiletries".
2006.08.01 13.33 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: sounds like jedediah
2006.08.01 13.34 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun:
2006.08.01 13.34 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: He's going to get high off mascara?
2006.08.01 13.34 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Weird.
2006.08.01 13.34 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I wonder if he'll sniff it or try to inject it . . .
2006.08.01 13.34 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Or eat it.
2006.08.01 13.34 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Eeew.
2006.08.01 13.34 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Nah, he's probably going to snort that white powdery stuff women dab on their faces.
2006.08.01 13.34 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Altoids?
2006.08.01 13.35 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: White mime paint?
2006.08.01 13.35 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: the stuff french men powder their wigs with.
2006.08.01 13.35 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hmm...how weird would it be to have a "dress like a mime" day at work?
2006.08.01 13.35 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: That would be awesome
2006.08.01 13.35 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: French men are perverted and I don't want to talk about them!
2006.08.01 13.35 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Then I'd have tons of mimes to beat up.
2006.08.01 13.35 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Bwhahaha!
2006.08.01 13.35 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: No joury would convict me!
2006.08.01 13.36 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I just like the fact they couldn't talk.
2006.08.01 13.37 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: We need a national "talk like a mime day".
2006.08.01 13.40 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: hahahahaha
2006.08.01 13.43 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I've got a challenge for you dowaito-kun.
2006.08.01 13.44 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: uh oh
2006.08.01 13.44 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: What?
2006.08.01 13.44 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You say that like you expect something bad.
2006.08.01 13.44 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Do you want the challenge or not?
2006.08.01 13.44 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Don't be so easily distracted. Challenge me.
2006.08.01 13.45 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Write an IF game, but only use haiku for your descriptions and response text(s).
2006.08.01 13.45 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Heheh.
2006.08.01 13.45 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: and I'll name the game "Koan"
2006.08.01 13.46 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Shouldn't the title also be a haiku though?
2006.08.01 13.46 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: No
2006.08.01 13.46 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Or the title of a "popular" haiku?
2006.08.01 13.46 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You're no fun.
2006.08.01 13.46 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: No
2006.08.01 13.46 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun:
2006.08.01 13.47 (papyrus) fuji-dono: I know! Let's write the whole thing in Inform 7!
2006.08.01 13.47 (papyrus) fuji-dono:
2006.08.01 13.53 (papyrus) dowaito-kun: Well, that would be challenging
2006.08.01 13.53 (papyrus) fuji-dono: Futile was the word I was thinking of.
2006.08.01 13.53 (papyrus) fuji-dono: Care to play again?
2006.08.01 13.53 (papyrus) dowaito-kun: Maybe we need to create a server based IF creation system.
2006.08.01 13.53 (papyrus) dowaito-kun: Let people create IF which is played via the web.
2006.08.01 13.54 (papyrus) fuji-dono: I like Inform 7 just fine thanks.
2006.08.01 13.54 (papyrus) dowaito-kun: Or maybe more like a web based mush
2006.08.01 13.54 (papyrus) fuji-dono: Why not a java applet in the web page connected to a mush?
2006.08.01 13.54 (papyrus) dowaito-kun: Let players link spaces, and stories, etc via a wiki like web-based mush
2006.08.01 13.54 (papyrus) dowaito-kun: It would be less about interaction with other players, and more about creating and exploring.
2006.08.01 13.54 (papyrus) fuji-dono: Only if the occational click will send them to the Grue.
2006.08.01 13.55 (papyrus) dowaito-kun: But then, ultimately that's the web isn't it. (minus the gure)
2006.08.01 13.55 (papyrus) dowaito-kun: *grue
2006.08.01 13.56 (papyrus) fuji-dono: I think so.
2006.08.01 13.57 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: http
2006.08.01 14.02 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: http
2006.08.01 14.02 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: HAHAHAHA
2006.08.01 14.03 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: No kidding! Bwhahha. That's great.
2006.08.01 14.04 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Okay gents. I'm off.
2006.08.01 14.04 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm going home.
2006.08.01 14.04 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm going to the dentist.
2006.08.01 14.04 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I can smile with pride!
2006.08.01 14.04 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Now . . . where is that black marker?
2006.08.01 14.04 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: traitor
2006.08.01 14.05 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Have fnu
2006.08.01 14.10 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.08.01 15.44 (papyrus) *self*: Well I'm heading out.
2006.08.01 15.44 (papyrus) *self*: Have a good evening.
2006.08.02 07.34 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: http
2006.08.02 07.43 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: http
2006.08.02 09.13 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Morning.
2006.08.02 09.14 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Who's Jove?
2006.08.02 09.14 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.08.02 09.14 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun:
2006.08.02 09.14 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Morning
2006.08.02 09.14 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: http
2006.08.02 09.14 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: The new chad vader video
2006.08.02 09.14 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: http
2006.08.02 09.14 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: amazing treadmills
2006.08.02 09.22 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: aw crap. That html bug again.
2006.08.02 09.23 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Do I need to resend links?
2006.08.02 09.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Nope.
2006.08.02 09.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: My Smart Transcript saved the bacon (but burnt it to a crisp . . . I hate burnt bacon).
2006.08.02 09.23 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.08.02 09.25 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Okay . . .treadmills.
2006.08.02 09.27 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I wonder how many times they had to practice that?
2006.08.02 09.35 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'll admit I like Chad Vader.
2006.08.02 09.35 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.08.02 09.36 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: So dowaito-kun, if you test it will you tell me about it?
2006.08.02 09.36 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I would, but I don't seem to have anything other than Icesus to use it on, and I'm not all that keen to play Icesus right now.
2006.08.02 09.36 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Yeah, the treadmills are pretty darn cool. But could you imagine meeting with a few guys and going over that every weekend for a couple of months?
2006.08.02 09.36 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: No I could not.
2006.08.02 09.38 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Dang. Atlantis looks slick. I will try it out, and let you know.
2006.08.02 09.39 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Thanks man.
2006.08.02 09.39 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Is EP still down?
2006.08.02 09.39 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Tho, I will be surprised if it proves more powerful than my tintin. At least in the short term.
2006.08.02 09.39 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: yes, EP is down. I can bring it up again next week if there is real interest.
2006.08.02 09.40 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Define real.
2006.08.02 09.40 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I figured it would be a decent test for me for Atlantis.
2006.08.02 09.41 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: "real", in this case means activity and building for a at least a week or two.
2006.08.02 09.41 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: You can always go to TinyTim. A mush I did a lot of building on, but left when no one would hang out with me anymore.
2006.08.02 09.42 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I could, but why go?
2006.08.02 09.42 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Let alone look at, and appreciate all my hard work.
2006.08.02 09.42 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Yep, there is that.
2006.08.02 09.42 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: That's the real problem with all mush environments.
2006.08.02 09.42 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: My only point in going is to have a more rich chatting environment.
2006.08.02 09.42 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It's more fun than only having talk and /me . . . know what I mean?
2006.08.02 09.43 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Yes, Yes I do.
2006.08.02 09.43 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: If I knew what to build to make everything else more fun than I would build stuf.
2006.08.02 09.46 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Looks like Atlantis allows you to script activity alerts.
2006.08.02 09.46 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Cool.
2006.08.02 09.46 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: With Growl support built in, I bet it could be pretty robust.
2006.08.02 09.46 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It did say it had Perl suppor too.
2006.08.02 09.47 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: When out sysadmin gets back from vacation (Monday). I'll get him to bring the serve up.
2006.08.02 09.47 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Do you think JD will be able to join us?
2006.08.02 09.47 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Its a bit of a drag to manage two group chat environments.
2006.08.02 09.48 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I'm not sure anyone will be able to join us. I can hardly get them to be herre.
2006.08.02 09.48 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I agree that it's a drag.
2006.08.02 09.48 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: But then . . . I'm also not sure I want to give up on SILC just yet.
2006.08.02 09.48 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Know what I mean?
2006.08.02 09.49 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: It's nice to have secure chatting.
2006.08.02 09.49 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Yes, I agree on that as well.
2006.08.02 09.49 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Still, with decent activity monitors, it won't be so bad.
2006.08.02 09.49 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Are we all just doomed?
2006.08.02 09.49 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: True.
2006.08.02 09.50 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I've been dying my whole life
2006.08.02 09.50 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: There was a short period (about 5 minutes I think) when I wasn't.
2006.08.02 09.51 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: That of course makes the rest of my life all the more depressing.
2006.08.02 09.51 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun:
2006.08.02 09.51 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Having tasted "the other half" . . .
2006.08.02 09.51 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Curses!
2006.08.02 09.51 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: nCurses!
2006.08.02 09.51 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: /etc/termcap!
2006.08.02 09.52 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.08.02 09.56 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: Yeah, but $10 isn't bad if it proves more useful than tintin
2006.08.02 09.56 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Yep.
2006.08.02 09.56 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I'm not sure notifications is enough for $10 tho.
2006.08.02 09.56 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Just thought I'd let you know.
2006.08.02 09.56 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Hehehe.
2006.08.02 09.57 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: We could always wait for me to get around to writing my own client . . .
2006.08.02 09.57 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: HAHAHAHAHA
2006.08.02 09.57 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: See?
2006.08.02 09.57 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: However, there is a windows version of tintin which wraps tintin in a windows gui.
2006.08.02 09.57 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Better pay the $10.
2006.08.02 09.58 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: I wonder how hard it would be to do something similar with OSX.
2006.08.02 09.58 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: But, then... why not just use the terminal version.
2006.08.02 09.58 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: What is tintin written in?
2006.08.02 09.59 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: c
2006.08.02 09.59 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Oh.
2006.08.02 09.59 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Eew.
2006.08.02 09.59 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You'd be porting it.
2006.08.02 10.00 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: You should (in theory) be able to encapsulate it within your gui. Gui actions would just pass commands to it the same as it's prompt. But it would be a nasty hack, just to get menus. I wouldn't bother.
2006.08.02 10.00 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Right.
2006.08.02 10.01 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: You'd be porting it.
2006.08.02 10.01 (0kelvin) dowaito-kun: You could use it as a way to add applescript support, but I'm not sure that would be very useful.
2006.08.02 10.01 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I guess I need a MU* revival before I really care about clients and all that.
2006.08.02 10.01 (0kelvin) fuji-dono:
2006.08.02 10.01 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: I don't even play Icesus all that much.
2006.08.02 10.09 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: http
2006.08.02 10.09 (0kelvin) fuji-dono: Weirndess.